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NetQuarterLatte t1_ixz8tkh wrote
Reply to comment by WickhamAkimbo in Weekly Crime Thread - Week of November 22, 2022 by AutoModerator
> Police found the mother on the third floor of the building naked and “acting irrationally,” with the bathroom tub overflowing and flooding the building, cops said.
If CPS knew and didn’t do anything, that seems like gross negligence.
k1lk1 t1_ixzp05g wrote
CPS can't win.
If they investigate people like this, it's somehow racist, as well as classist (as if picking up your garbage and keeping a tidy household with 1 or 2 childrens books around, is something only upper middle class people are capable of), and the Times runs tear jerkers about 19 year old single mothers of 3 that definitely don't still have an addiction problem, and no longer have custody of their kids.
And if they don't investigate people like this, eventually kids get murdered and then it's CPS's fault.
Can we all just agree that we have no consensus on what we want CPS to actually do?
WickhamAkimbo t1_ixzqpsv wrote
I think people that are willing to prioritize their abstract notions of social justice over the literal safety of children should be completely excluded from discussions on these topics and ostracized from polite society until they can get their heads on straight.
Rottimer t1_iy2iulr wrote
Because it can be both. It's clearly a hard fucking job. That doesn't mean you dismiss claims of bias from the agencies own fucking employees.
I have a friend that's a single parent in a very high paying, demanding job. She makes a lot of money. She lives in a very high end apartment. One night her kid touched a hot pan while she was cooking. She rushed him to the ER - no serious injury though she felt horrible. The doctors told her they had to report the incident to CPS. She understood.
CPS shows up later that night, looks around in awe of the apartment and leaves within a couple of minutes. Now I know my friend isn't abusing her child. But that seemed to be a pretty cursory investigation for CPS to determine that. IF instead she was a single mother in a housing project, with plumbing that had not been fixed by the city and a lack of children's books - do you think that would have gone the same way?
In the end CPS needs to be judged on their consistency and transparency. They could absolutely be negligent in one instance, and biased in another. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iy4f7x5 wrote
>In the end CPS needs to be judged on their consistency and transparency.
Bingo.
CPS shouldn't be going around applying one standard for rich kids and another standard for poor kids. Or one standard for White kids and another Black kids. Or one standard for kids living in luxury apartments vs. kids living in poorer housing.
They should just be doing their job and assessing whether those kids are in a safe environment.
In the case at hand: it sounded kind of obvious those kids were living in a house with a dry powder keg.
PandaJ108 t1_iy6ttdk wrote
Only thing consistent about CPS is there under funding and large caseloads. 67% of their caseload is following up on unfounded cases the result of mandatory reporting. I would imagine quite a bit of those unfounded cases consist of situations like you describe involving your friend.
Imagine if they went the full throttle in regards to your friends and allocated multiple visits and resources to that case. That would have been another case not being investigated.
volkommm t1_ixzij41 wrote
Yeah, well according to the above linked article from earlier this week they now have to worry about being racist when deciding to protect kids because of disparate outcomes.
WickhamAkimbo t1_ixzqxwe wrote
They got torn apart in the comments section. These people are losing ground within their own party because everyone realizes they have no idea what they're talking about, and their policies cause nothing but mass suffering and harm with no sane defense.
Good intentions are worthless in policymaking. Outcomes are all that matters.
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