Johnnadawearsglasses t1_iwq7q2o wrote
Reply to comment by marketingguy420 in Public Schools Are NYC’s Main Youth Mental Health System. Where Kids Land Often Depends on What Their Parents Can Pay. by LittleWind_
I wasnt comparing ny state to oecd nations. I was comparing to every other state in THIS nation. When you cut and paste you may want to read the actual comment. And no California and Illinois and other high income high tech states do not have different social safety nets. Let's take California for example. Ny state diverts >50% more students to special Ed than california. Why? Because the large incremental payouts to schools for special Ed students incents them to declare more students special Ed. If we simply had the same % as California, we would be able to spend >50% more per student just there.
And the fact that they spend less and have better outcomes completely undercuts your second point. If spending per student was directly tied to outcomes, NYC would have one of the best, not worst, large metropolitan school districts.
And your comment about my comment being ridiculous is just rude. And in the context of not even understanding the comment, doubly so.
This may not be rocket science, but it's certainly not marketing either. Requires some understanding of public policy and public finance. And the simple argument of "we need more money" isn't a serious one without an actual analysis of root cause issues.
ctindel t1_iwsujct wrote
> Because the large incremental payouts to schools for special Ed students incents them to declare more students special Ed.
You think a school can just declare a student to need special education? A lot of times parents have to pay out of pockets thousands if not $10k+ out of pocket themselves for neurological evaluations with a child neurologist and it takes 6-9 months to even get appointment for those. Then multiple various city agencies will observe the child in various settings (in the home, in the agency office, etc). And the city agencies fight it every step of the way because they don't want to be issuing an IEP to parents. Some parents end up suing the city to get their kids the right resources and I can tell you from having been through it, lawyers specializing in child special education do not come cheap. IIRC the one i talked to was $800/hour and the paralegals were like half that much.
marketingguy420 t1_iwqe2lx wrote
Literally nowhere in my comment did I say we need more money. I said we need better distribution of resources of all kinds.
drpvn t1_iwr5akz wrote
Title I schools in NYC get a lot more funding than schools with more affluent students.
Johnnadawearsglasses t1_iwqg39j wrote
You did say we need more money for public school students. It’s your entire point. Let’s not try to thread needles here. But to be clear, these country club schools are total bs. On that we agree
marketingguy420 t1_iwqh28r wrote
Feel free to quote where I said that! Because I didn't!
My entire point is that a better social safety net and better social services that have nothing to do with school would make for better school outcomes and allow schools to use resources on education and not the other things they have to by necessity because (unlike private schools) they actually have to serve poor communities.
Case in point, medicaid expansion reduced crime.
As for school itself, a system like Finland's where private school basically doesn't exist at all would also dramatically improve overall outcomes, but too many upper east side parents would get very upset if little Hayden IV had to go to a public school.
Johnnadawearsglasses t1_iwql2rm wrote
So you want everyone to go to public school. Got it. If that's your main point just say it up front. I for one am not in favor of a monopolist position for a failing system. Organizations earn funding with evidence of efficacy. Not the other way around.
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