They really need to extend this tax holiday. People are hurting with all the inflation, and economic problems.

That’s not how inflation works.

If wages went up with inflation then you’d be correct but my wages didn’t go up at the same rate as inflation in the past year and I bet most people will say the same

Wow tbh I totally forgot this was still happening. The prices around here are still very high despite the "savings". Two weeks ago I filled my tank at $3.30 a gallon in Brooklyn. Last weekend I filled up in Massachusetts at $2.89. If the prices shoot up overnight to near $4 a gallon when the rest of the northeast is much cheaper, I'm gonna be pissed.

If only there was a way to get around the city without a car. Alas, maybe one day.

Find a new job that pays market rate for your skills and services.

Lol that’s like saying “just don’t be poor”, it’s not exactly the easiest thing these days to find a high paying job and more importantly a stable job where you won’t face wage cuts or get laid off if the economy worsens

The gov should stop incentivizing people to drive. The tax should be 2x.

Also if you care about inflation you want people to spend less, so higher prices are good.

Sad you’re being downvoted. You’re right

2.89 in mass is low I’ve seen things closer to 3.20-3.40 around the state.

This was in SE Mass. Several stations under $3

Have little kids and elderly limited mobility parents. Then come back with more insight.

I do have little kids.

I saw similar prices just under $3 in Rhode Island and parts of Connecticut during christmas. NYC is definitely higher than the rest of the NE.

Then the government should send people a check or find more positive forms of stimulus, not further distort an already distorted market. Gasoline powered cars impose enormous negative externalities on the market, not least in the infrastructure required to support them. The gasoline tax recaptures a portion of the cost of those externalities and funds the infrastructure needed to support automobile travel.

The last thing we need to do is further incentivize driving.

Then I’d recommend trying out a car to get them place to place with the strollers and diaper bags and all. Unless you live in Manhattan with endless taxis and subways a few steps away. Then a car would actually cost more.

Every time - every single person here is a disabled single LGBT POC LLC mother with 3 babies all with special needs that need to be driven to different boroughs for the special needs appointments and 17 parents all of whom are in a wheelchair and all also have special needs.

I have never heard someone frame themselves more as a victim than when someone mentions their cars should not be subsidized.

What in the hell are you babbling about.

That everytime any cost is incurred to drivers or an implication that they should use public transportation they will remember and embellish every single vaguely difficult thing about their lives in the justification of why they cannot possibly use public transportation and also why the cost to own a car in nyc should always be kept artificially low for them

OK, but you can go on your delusional rants elsewhere. I didn’t even know that there was a gas tax holiday unfortunately, whatever the prices of gasoline is, I’ll be paying it. I wasn’t saying come subsidize me with the life-changing $.40 a gallon. But on top of that if you want to talk shit about New York, we all subsidize public transit because our disgusting MTA steals billions of dollars a year and it’s subsidized with taxes, whereas every other public transport system in the world runs clean trains and stations, efficient, and self-sufficient.

Oh, and lastly I don’t drive to work. But doesn’t mean you can say stupid shit about people’s needs or health. I don’t talk shit about people that wanna bike or take a bus or a train or a car and maybe you should elevate yourself to be that kind of person as well.

Nah breathing is overrated, having spring in January is amazing / climate change is a joke, and we just give people more money to fight inflation!

But really yes driving is far too cheap in NYC - higher gas taxes, congestion pricing, etc are all long overdue

Aw is that why gas was a few cents over $3 recently?

Walking is a thing. You should try it sometime.

Never heard of it. My car is parked in my living room and I drive down my 3rd floor walk up right into grocery stores even. Don’t need to find a shopping cart. The idiocy is beyond me.

For some of us plebs with families to support, we need a car to get around because public transportation outside of Manhattan is shit and certain elected officials would rather convert former railway lines into… parks rather than repair them.

I have kids to take care of and can’t wait an extra 90 minutes both ways for shitty buses and trains.

So you want the goverment to increase inflation to solve the inflation problem?

Interesting.

Or measure out every trip you take with your EV

That’s fine if you want to drive.

But as someone who pays an obscene amount of taxes to this city, state, gov. I’m kinda tired of subsidizing car drivers choice to drive, while transit gets shafted.

If you want to drive that’s fine, but it’s the most expensive decision both financially and environmentally.

If driving gets expensive enough, you may start to petition for better public transit

Inflation comes from too much money chasing too few goods. Also comes from the government spending too much.

We are at the tail end of the "Great Resignation". People wirh marketable skills and experience are quitting jobs and moving to new jobs that pay more. Lots of people have taken advantage of the last two years to upskill and pivot from one career to another. There is no better time than now. Fortune favors the bold. Be bold. Take a risk. You may just find yourself in a better place.

Lol finding a new job ain’t easy when people are getting laid off in many sectors.

What your describing is literally taxing people because they drive cars, which will tax many lower income people. That is a dumb argument.

Unemployment is at a near all time low. Job creation has outpaced layoffs.

>or find more positive forms of stimulus

No one ever had children or grew old in an urban area without a car ever. It's never been done in all of human history

Bruh do you not remember when gas was like $5+ per gallon?

Whose gonna pay for the roads

> whereas every other public transport system in the world runs clean trains and stations, efficient, and self-sufficient.

Doubt the self sufficient part. Public transit needs to be subsidized with taxes to an extent. It’s just a matter of how much a government is willing to subsidize. Trying to make it break even or profitable will lead to a system that will price people out and just incentivize car driving. But I do agree that the MTA really should be restructured and their spending scrutinized more.

What does that mean? Stimulus is what got us into this situation. It's not how we get out of it.

As a driver myself I'm always in favor of expanding transit and believe it is the ONLY option to reducing car dependency. However most people see the MTA's track record and have no hope, so they don't bother spreading awareness. And a lot of these people are transit users themselves, not drivers. "It would be nice but it's never gonna happen." A lot of these people don't even know about the The Triboro project, the Interborough Express, and the Queenslink.

If the city truly cared they would start expanding transit ASAP, but nope, they always have some political and financial problems. Meanwhile other developed cities around the world have robust, modern subway systems.

Damn I wish NYC would get some electric vehicle infrastructure going. So fucken sick of my polluting gas guzzler.

What do you mean “subsidizing”? Are you sure you know what that word means?

I pay 30+ cents in state and local taxes a gallon. I’m sure some of that money is going towards the financially insoluble MTA.

Try getting off of Long Island without paying an exorbitant amount in tolls and fares. Most of that money is subsidizing other projects across the state.

Parking free, roads free, highways mostly free…

People also don’t have a roof over their head or food on the table. I don’t see the argument there. Absolutely people lived without a car before and now but if it makes your life easier, and you want it, why wouldn’t you utilize it? The problem with you people is that you have a problem with someone else doing it. It’s mind boggling how hate filled you people are and just don’t see it.

I don't give a crap if anyone drives. Drive all you want. It's when you start crying about traffic and parking spots and bike lanes and this and that...that's when you should start thinking about giving up your car because obviously it's too much for you to deal with. The fact is they are building more and more bike lanes and taking out car lanes to expand pedestrian space and add space for non car drivers. Cars are a luxury not a need. And we would all rather you give up your car than hear you cry about parking and traffic incessantly.

Did I do any of that? That’s why I said people like you have a real problem. You deal in absolutes and that’s a problem and an asshole thing.

Regarding Traffic, it’s a New York thing. Subways have traffic in one way tunnels. Transportation is forever fucked in this city. There was traffic 50 years ago with less than half the amount of cars. There’s traffic for no reason that seemingly opens up with no accidents or road work to explain it.

If I tell the government that I identify as Ukraine, perhaps they will send me money to cover this.

>If you only refuel at that Mobil in Hell's Kitchen by the car dealerships

Isn't that place around $6 a gallon?

Lol really you have never heard anyone complaining about bike lanes or the open streets program or street parking being removed? Never? Well God bless you

You mean larger and heavier roads?

Charge them market rates

Electric bikes are awesome.

if youre getting "taxed an obscene amount "....... drivers are too

and i guarantee youre not paying anything close to what people pay in the outlaying counties pay in property taxes - the same people who are needed to come into the city to work and buy stuff here...

And that’s why the LIRR was invented. You want to drive in LI fine, but you shouldnt have a right to drive your 2 ton box into the city for free.

Hell, I think the LIRR should be free and the queensboro should have a $100 toll to encourage it

Agree, I wish the MTA didn’t suck so hard. But would rather fix it then encourage more cars.

Not as fast.

Divert it from the police.

LIRR free? What the fuck, we don’t want homeless bums to invade that.

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What do you think the state police budget is?

NYPD is $11 billion. State police is much less.

This is a state sales tax holiday.

Raising taxes actually fights inflation. Putting in place a gas tax holiday does the opposite.

So all our food will be delivered from the Midwest by bicycle?

Take the train

Just as I was hoping gas would go under 3 dollars.....

Cant wait, Moved out to NJ in part to have my own driveway to charge up and the whole affordability thing lol

What if I told you people have the technology to explore far away places without multi-day walking treks.

Wait til you hear about how electricity is produced. And all the energy expended pulling the minerals for the batteries out of the ground.

Yeah but what are we going to do, line all the streets with charging blocks? I wish we’d just invest that money in better public transit.

Oh shit everyone in my neighborhood with a car is an elderly disabled person with 2 kids?

Yea, I know, but it’s already way more environmentally friendly than gas-powered cars

I’d take both.

Every single thing we can do to disincentivize loud, expensive, dangerous space-consuming cars having priority to the streets would be a net benefit to the city. We’ll always need some, but we could definitely stand to have way fewer if the city would just proportionally invest in public transit to compensate.

So, we are back to around $4/gallon beginning next year? Filled up yesterday and it was around $3.63.

Even charging batteries by burning coal in a combined cycle power plant is more efficient than burning gas in a small internal combustion engine

100%! Long story short I drive to work because it saves literally over an hour roundtrip. I would LOVE to have efficient and reliable public transit instead. I’d have to take a subway to a bus, and that bus goes extremely slowly because people park in the bus lane and all through Church Ave 18-wheelers double park to unload.

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Market rates for parking with demand based pricing would for real be one of the fastest, most drastic improvements to infrastructure the city could take.

It'd also probably cause the NYPost readership (amongst others) to convulse and fight as if it were a coming apocalypse / is politically impossible.

Interestingly, we already have existing infrastructure that could be repurposed/added onto for charging: streetlights! It would require an investment, obviously, but we already have a set of grid-connected blocks lining our streets. (I’m with you on public transit, but I’m ok with both/and in this case, and would like a—politically infeasible, I realize—dramatic reworking of the city budget to prioritize transit, schools, green infra…)

wait who are you to say what someone should have a "right" to do ???

and im pretty sure you make yourself availible to using a 2 ton box or benefit FROM those 2 ton boxes - LIRR isnt here to replace cars

LIRR free? Hahahaha

LIRR, MNRR, and the express bus costing more than the subway is a big reason why are a billion times more pleasant to ride than the subway.