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SuperTeamRyan t1_iyhp1q0 wrote

A lot of comments in these threads say we don't have enough beds but in my head I'm thinking for the most part a small population of insane people create the majority of the problem. I don't have the numbers but I'm assuming it's something like maybe 350 of these mentally unstable individuals can cause 100% of the visible interactions and it's often the same few individuals so in reality a small number of beds would have a large affect on the actual problem.

Again this is just a thoughy and I don't have the hard numbers to back this up so anyone who is more knowledgeable please chime in.

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mowotlarx t1_iyhv0w2 wrote

>I don't have the numbers

This is a city of nearly 9 million people and you think only 350 homeless mentally ill people sounds right?

We have zero beds available even for that wildly small number. We don't have beds for housed mentally ill people. This will be a massive crisis in hospitals the day they begin to try to enforce false imprisonment in hospitals.

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SuperTeamRyan t1_iyhyiwp wrote

I'm not saying that I'm saying a small number of mentally unwell people cause most of the visible problems that affect quality of life. There were 60000 homeless in NYC of that about 2k were street homeless and not housed in the shelter system. Even if we assume all 2k of the street homeless are dangerous insane and violent getting even 350 of the worst offenders off the street would drastically improve the quality of life for most new yorkers.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iyhywfy wrote

The number in Miami Dade was 2000. Gotta think our number is higher. And we don’t have the beds for regular psych incidents, let alone an influx of more

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SuperTeamRyan t1_iyi1ewk wrote

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/nyregion/nyc-homeless-eric-adams.html

About 50k homeless in NYC with about 48k residing in a shelter. That gives us about 2k street homeless our numbers apparently aren't higher.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iyi1scv wrote

Math isn’t nearly that clean. There’s actually just over 60,000 folks in shelters and not everyone “in a shelter” is accounted for or not a potential psych case. I wouldn’t be surprised if the number were talking about is closer to 3-4k for the most problematic folks, but that’s still way more than we have the resources / beds to house. As I mentioned there aren’t enough beds as is for even normal psych cases

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SuperTeamRyan t1_iyi6t56 wrote

Do you have any sources for the estimated street homeless population?

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iyi9tg5 wrote

There’s different folks that do counts. Coalition for the homeless does one, as does Downtown Gooddard. Census does one as well

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Curiosities t1_iyj1mht wrote

There are also a number of people who are technically homeless but staying with people on a kind of transient and unstable basis. These are also among the parents of the over 100k homeless students in public school.

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SuperTeamRyan t1_iyj30wb wrote

I get that but we're specifically talking about the homeless in the context of violent or aggressive mentally unstable homeless people. If you are couch surfing there are people taking care of you to some degree and you're less likely to be one of those guys on the subway or street people complain about.

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Curiosities t1_iyjcgnm wrote

My comment was essentially that you've undercounted the homeless on the whole. Takes nothing away from the discussion at hand.

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