Submitted by ToffeeFever t3_zake9b in nyc
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Desterado t1_iymb1fs wrote
They haven’t raised it since 2015 though
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myassholealt t1_iymdiw0 wrote
>because a contractor manufactured parts in the wrong size.
My worst fear when placing orders for work.
>the number of incidents on the Queens Boulevard Line range from six to 20 per day.
Don't I know it as an E/F rider. The worst is when the delay starts after I'm on the train. When I see the notification on my way to transferring to the E I usually just reroute and take the LIRR into queens. I've been averaging about two rides per paper ticket cause they conducted doesn't always come around before I get off. So at least it's not too much of an expense. But still annoying.
olli_bombastico t1_iymili4 wrote
MTA doesn't write specs - they provide spec requirements/format at best.
Wrong size part issue is either a fabrication or shop drawing issue. Which is the responsibility of the fabricator and engineer on record. Or could be on the contractor who did the field verification.
manormortal t1_iymkede wrote
If it even goes to $2.76, I hop.
$33.01, bunny rabbit.
Better 🙏 cash app continues the boost or I might reconsider.
LittleWind_ t1_iymn3o3 wrote
This isn’t always the case. Having an indemnity clause and enforcing are different issues, and very complicated in the city where it takes a year+ to replace a contractor.
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brotie t1_iymqu76 wrote
Eh, lots of waste and grift within the MTA but in this incident specifically it doesn’t seem to be the case. Appears that Siemens is owning the incorrectly sized part order and meeting with the MTA daily, kinda just seems like one of those projects that has such a big scope and so much legacy equipment that has almost certainly been repaired and replaced at different intervals over the years that overruns are just part of the game.
TheNormalAlternative t1_iymr8ab wrote
Maybe the MTA should sue the manufacturers for causing persistent delays which isn't helping convince ridership to return to pre-pandemic levels.
Time for the MTA to get its poorly spent money back from where it went instead of insisting on more money from farers.
ejpusa t1_iymrizv wrote
Yes, this is how $$$ is re/distributed in NYC. Just how it works. It's intentional.
We have billionaires, and everyone else. The billionaires don't want guillotines on Park Avenue, so they "re/distribute" wealth to keep the Proletariat happy. More workers, more paychecks, more fed "middle class" people. For another 2 years.
In most communities, the super wealthy are behind iron gates, security forces and brick walls. It's not like that in NYC, so things kind of "work themselves out."
It's this been this way for decades. Seems to work. No one is complaining much. It's a "jobs" program.
Source: here since the Dutch, I think?
donttouchthirdrail t1_iymv1t4 wrote
Why is anyone still giving tutor perini contracts
donttouchthirdrail t1_iymv68x wrote
Zero large capital projects are done by the MTA, this all on siemens and tutor perini.
LittleWind_ t1_iymvaq7 wrote
Right. I’m not disputing that MTA has the legal right to seek specific performance or financial penalties. My point is that - practically - City agencies don’t always pursue those avenues. Contractors can - and do - walk away from jobs for the city when they’re held liable for damages. In that case, the city must go through a procurement process to select a new contractor, which can be expensive and requires about a year.
As I said, having a right and enforcing them are different things. Practical realities matter.
gh234ip t1_iymz3g3 wrote
Most of the time the people that sign off on these projects are retired by the time these projects are started.
wr_m t1_iyn0dph wrote
I doubt Siemens would flat out walk away from this. There's literally billions of dollars on the table for future work on other lines. I think both parties are super motivated to get this resolved.
fishballs_69 t1_iyn0hog wrote
People on this sub just speak in hyperboles and complain about anything no matter which side it comes out on.
If MTA says they won’t raise fares but subway service will remain bad, top comments will be “MTA never listens! I’d gladly pay more to improve the subway”.
If MTA says they’ll raise the fares, it’ll be “Can’t wait for this money to go into one of the Mayor’s friend’s pockets! This city is a shitshow and only caters to the 1%.”
People don’t speak with facts or sources, just general sentiments that are usually not based in reality
thebruns t1_iynar7r wrote
It went up in 2019. Stop lying.
>The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) Board voted on February 27, 2019 to increase fares and tolls. The new tolls take effect March 31, 2019 and the new fares take effect April 21, 2019. Highlights from the MTA fare proposal are below. https://www.benefitresource.com/blog/mta-fare-increases-as-of-february-2019/
Desterado t1_iynaz00 wrote
How much was a ride in 2015? 2.75. What is it now? 2.75.
thebruns t1_iynbb4h wrote
If you cant read an article, delete your account.
easyxtarget t1_iynbhbf wrote
Honestly, with a goal of resignaling the entire system, the MTA should just build an internal team that handles it and not depend on contractors.
Desterado t1_iynbhkj wrote
Subway fare is literally the same as it was in 2015.
thebruns t1_iynbtdh wrote
One last time, or youre being reported for spreading misinformation
>7-Day Unlimited Ride MetroCard: Increase from $32 to $33 >7-Day Express Bus Plus Unlimited Ride MetroCard: Increase from $59.50 to $62.00 >30-Day and Calendar Monthly Unlimited Ride MetroCard: Increase from $121 to $127
That is ON TOP of the 2017 increase
>The cost of a weekly MetroCard will now be $32 instead of $31. Monthly cards will go from $116.50 to $121. And the pay-per-ride bonus on purchases of $5.50 or more will go from 11% down to 5%.
>Express bus fares remain at $6.50, but the 7-day Express Bus Plus Metro Card will go up from $57.25 to $59.50.
Desterado t1_iynby6q wrote
The subway cost 2.75 to ride in 2015. It still costs 2.75 to ride now. Go ahead and “report me”.
thebruns t1_iync5bw wrote
The EFFECTIVE fare was lower because of bonuses. Those were decreased and then eliminated.
AKA, a fare hike.
Are you even from NYC? Do you even understand how fares work?
Desterado t1_iyncafn wrote
Dude. If I tap my phone it costs 2.75. If I bought a card and put money on it then it costs 2.75 a ride. The price hasn’t changed for a ride.
Can’t see what you wrote cause you blocked me. Say hi to everyone in New Jersey for me.
ChurchPicnicFlareGun t1_iynch28 wrote
Seriously? If you read the article you would see that the cost of the 7-day/monthly/etc unlimited are what went up. Those are the cards most people who commute are using.
I mean who else besides tourists and suckers use pay-per-ride anyway?
thebruns t1_iyncp27 wrote
Imagine talking about fares in 2015 when you clearly just moved here and dont understand how the fare system used to work
supremeMilo t1_iyncudn wrote
It’s time to start suing individuals, LLCs don’t mean shit if you are deliberately sabotaging to keep work going on forever.
TheNormalAlternative t1_iynd4c8 wrote
Eh I understand the sentiment but I don't want the MTA to waste money on a lawsuit that will get thrown out. Corporate forms exist exactly for this reason.
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MyNameIsRobPaulson t1_iyni61p wrote
This is Reddit and a lot of the internet in general - the goal is to be angry, cynical and throw a collective self-righteous digital tantrum. You think this post is about the MTA, but really it’s just a way to create a anonymous social environment to achieve that goal.
ShatteredCitadel t1_iynj3d2 wrote
I don’t give a shit how much it costs get the job done and fix the god damn subway it’s awful. 10% delays on average for lines is horrific.
What else is our fucking tax money going to? Lazy cops standing by the ticket machines and stiles preventing jumpers?
Die-Nacht t1_iynrgm6 wrote
People who don't take the subway. I wish I was joking but a lot of the MTA leadership, as well as the politicians who appoint them and give them money, don't actually take transit.
LoserBroadside t1_iynrpdv wrote
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! BEEEEE DOOOOOOOOONE!!! I finally moved, but the F train near me was down for "signal maintenance" almost every fucking weekend for three and a half years.
unndunn t1_iyntv77 wrote
So what will the excuse be in two years?
"Signal wires were incorrect gauge so they failed in the heat, project pushed back another 3 years and costs increase 45%".
"Ventilation shafts built too thin, project pushed back 20 months, costs increase 60%"
I should build a mad libs site to generate these. Save Janno Lieber some time coming up with these excuses.
LikesBallsDeep t1_iynw30y wrote
Can anyone actually explain to me wtf is so complicated about signal work?
What we don't have wired and wireless communication figured out in 2022? I never hear about this being a major problem in any other major subway system.
LikesBallsDeep t1_iynw88v wrote
I mean, yeah. We have seen them raise fares and nothing improve or even get worse so, until shown otherwise that's a fair reaction.
Biglolo3537 t1_iyny9mf wrote
It's probably just a blame game because MTA now hires design build firms to do everything. With very little oversight of them. They probably ordered the wrong stuff and now MTA is blaming the vendor. The vendor is scared to lose their business to they take the blame. They are also charging MTA 1000% of the regular cost of the good so again, they take the blame....
fishballs_69 t1_iyo0m08 wrote
How do you know raising fares isn’t put to maintaining the current state of transit and without the raise, things would decline?
LikesBallsDeep t1_iyo3dxl wrote
Maybe they are. But the MTA has a massive budget and massive waste. Even if things could be even worse that's not a good explanation.
YutaniCasper t1_iyo9nd2 wrote
The project would probably take longer if they went internal. I doubt they have all the necessary specialists on hand internally to complete all these projects
Unable-Ad3852 t1_iyodjn0 wrote
Sure they did. They got rid of the bonuses first, then added 1$ for a new card, then unlimited at discount. Would have been better to just outright raise the fare than getting rid of discounts since that only helped tourists, not your working masses. Express buss fare definitely went up.
hjablowme919 t1_iyopuki wrote
Anyone else notice that the MTA NEVER takes responsibility for these things? It's always a contractor error. Well as someone who is responsible for overseeing contractors, I can tell you that it actually requires work to make sure your contractors/vendors are doing what you are paying them to do.
Again, someone, probably several people at the MTA should lose their job(s), but no one will be held accountable.
DYMAXIONman t1_iyovqmm wrote
Please no more contractors
Shreddersaurusrex t1_iyoy2cl wrote
Bonuses were a gimmick. An extra 30 cents? What good is that when booth staff don’t want to combine the assorted values from different cards?
donttouchthirdrail t1_iyp4yzw wrote
No one is good at doing this is the problem. Siemens can’t design shit, Hitachi’s a mess, Alstom is … Alstom
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tonka737 t1_iypi4ys wrote
Why would anyone in that salary range, probably with dedicated parking, want to take the subway? It's a worse experience overall.
tonka737 t1_iypigwn wrote
>>What else is our fucking tax money going to? Lazy cops standing by the ticket machines and stiles preventing jumpers?
Shouldn't they do both? Or should they lose money with both shit management/workforce and fare evasion?
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Die-Nacht t1_iyrj26l wrote
Idk, I've taken taxis into and out of Manhattan and always end up regretting after being stuck in gridlock
SwellandDecay t1_iyuqhcs wrote
they got rid of the bonus, which effectively raised fares
ShatteredCitadel t1_iyx9619 wrote
One cop per station is less than the current amount deployed and better
Doctor_Theopolis t1_iyy685a wrote
You're not far off, they did recently have to build a ventilation and air conditioning plant for some of the computers handling cbtc on the F line that kept crashing because they didn't anticipate that computers would get hot.
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tonka737 t1_iz0fcc7 wrote
I said with probable dedicated parking.
SolutionRelative4586 t1_iz0fl24 wrote
Parking is not the issue. Every junior banker in the city could afford a dedicated spot if they wanted and still make more than these MTA clowns.
The reason they don't take the train is that it sucks and they are the reason.
tonka737 t1_iz0h6ot wrote
Its good enough for a junior banker but not for an MTA executive?
SolutionRelative4586 t1_iz0hdxa wrote
Exactly. Nothing about MTA's salary range means they wouldn't take the subway.
The reason they don't take it is it sucks.
Unable-Ad3852 t1_iym4d7r wrote
We're lucky if they get it done by 2030 🤣. But they'll make sure to raise the fair every 2 years to cover for this mistake that bloats the budget.