Submitted by lifandigoosogn t3_10nd04f in nyc
devolka t1_j68dpwk wrote
Here is a Pro tip. When people want to fudge the numbers you often see over semantic statements like this.
In this case, they are telling you crime is DOWN 16% over the numbers over October...
Why October? Why not year over year which is USUALLY how we measure crime.
And for good reason. Less people are out and about in January over October. So less people usually equals less crime...
But WHY OCTOBER?
This is why.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/amp/
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/amp/
From the article
>... if you compare the numbers to last year, crime in the transit system is up by more than 40%. The thing driving the numbers is larceny, which usually means someone's phone or wallet was stolen from their bag or off a seat, sometimes it's when people doze off.
So transit crime is UP 40% for the year.
>Robberies are also up by about 34%, Felony Assault is up by about 17%. If you compare those to last year when there were still a million fewer riders.
So the month they chose to compare to is the month with the with the MOST murders in 25 years...
Funny how the "reporter" didn't bother to check.
This is Department of Propaganda type shit.
Sickpup831 t1_j68gsjh wrote
Isn’t it because October is when the mayor and governor flooded the transit system with more cops?
devolka t1_j68iak8 wrote
They've been increasing cops all year with little result.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/nyregion/nypd-subway-patrol.html
Sickpup831 t1_j68nm5v wrote
That was written a year ago. Here’s one yesterday from NYT. Stating that October is when they started sending more cops in transit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/27/nyregion/crime-subway-police.html
devolka t1_j68rsxt wrote
Right... so he was lying in January but telling the truth now?
If subway crime has been up 40% this year why wait until October to bother adding cops if adding cops is your plan?
Why say you are adding cops in January and then not do it for 10 months?
Either he is grossly incompetent or he's a liar who doesn't believe what he says.
To paraphrase Robert Deniro in Casino. Either he's on thr take or stupid. Either way, he can't work here.
City_bound t1_j68rv4a wrote
The cops are working 4 hours of overtime a day about 4-5 days a week. Idk how long it is sustainable
devolka t1_j68s2hn wrote
They are just millking the clock.
Grass8989 t1_j6969uj wrote
By “milking the clock” do you mean “mandatory overtime” because that’s what it is.
devolka t1_j69j2a5 wrote
Yes. That's what I mean. That's got to stop.
ripstep1 t1_j69nvns wrote
So less cops working to the order of 50%?
devolka t1_j69q0a3 wrote
I don't know what that means. I said no overtime. That's what I meant.
koreamax t1_j69v4hs wrote
There's no winning with people like you. Getting rid of overtime means hiring more cops, which I'm sure you wouldn't like either.
devolka t1_j69wy66 wrote
Or it means giving cops less to do.
I like have every answer for you involves more cops. Aren't you paying attention? More cops doesn't reduce crime.
koreamax t1_j69xbo0 wrote
Dude, not everyone who disagrees with you is a bootlicker. Learn how to respond to people. Immediately assuming what I want makes for a bad argument. More cops seemed to reduce crime on subways
devolka t1_j6a6b27 wrote
I didn't didn't bring up bootleggers. You did. I was laughing at how you can't come up with a sutuin that doesn't involve more cops.
Lol. It's weird. You can only come up with one solution and ita the one we know doesn't work. Lol
rulesrrulesbro t1_j697rkv wrote
Especially when they don’t do shit but lean against walls and play candy crush. Half of them are too fat to chase after anyone
Sickpup831 t1_j69ugvf wrote
I thought people didn’t want them chasing anyone.
Grass8989 t1_j6bjuju wrote
They just want to abolish the police there’s no nuance with these people. It’s “why don’t they do anything” and when they do it’s “why did they do that”.
09-24-11 t1_j696eym wrote
It’s both. The mayor implemented increased supervision around this time AND the data chose a convenient start point to fit a narrative.
The real test will be comparing Oct 2021-2022 vs. Oct 2022-2023 a year from now
Croweslen t1_j69fq1g wrote
Correct. I cant remember if it was the end if October or the middle of November. But all precients have to send officers from each tour to cover the subway stations in their commands. People are easily hitting at least 40 hours of FORCED overtime a month. Who knows how long itll last but it is working. But forcing officers to work an 8 hour day on patrol, then do a footpost for hour, 5 days a week is not manageable or doable by most people. Especially with families
MillennialNightmare t1_j68tw32 wrote
Year to date compared to last year transit crime is down nearly 30%. You’re sharing old articles.
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
devolka t1_j68v3pd wrote
Year to date data for 3 weeks is extremely variant. The rolling 30 day is only 15% down and some of that is that ridership always dips in winter.
You'll notice the 2 year trend is up 36%
But my point in using an old article is that crime was historically high 3 months ago SPECIFICALLY.
Most murders in a month in the subway in at least 25 years.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/amp/
MillennialNightmare t1_j68vkhe wrote
Yes, up from a time 2 years ago when ridership was still significantly lower, especially considering that was the height of Delta.
devolka t1_j68x8bc wrote
Fair enough.
My issue here is the continual propagation of this false idea that adding cops or giving them more money or letting them torment who they don't like... none of that has been demonstrated to reduce crime.
And yet the media and politicians continue to disingenuously push it. They tried to reduce crime for a YEAR and failed. And now they found a way to cherry-pick the data to make it slightly positive.
MillennialNightmare t1_j68xqpj wrote
Fully agree that the decline being attributed to an increase in cops on the platform is absurd and purely a propaganda push to get more money to and overfunded police force.
chug84 t1_j6e9lll wrote
> This is Department of Propaganda type shit.
And all the transplants in this sub will fall for it and act like there's no crime in the subway.
M_Drinks t1_j695od3 wrote
If “The Wire” taught me anything, it’s how much cops juke stats to show what they want.
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Astoria321 t1_j693osq wrote
Ridership is at the highest point since the pandemic so where do you gather that there are less people out now than in October?
devolka t1_j69iklc wrote
Ridership dips in January.
ClarkFable t1_j6a1o3i wrote
It’s because police spending is up, and they want a results driven narrative
devolka t1_j6a7pqh wrote
They are also both getting their clock cleaned. Hocul won a much closer race than anyone was planning and just had her own party tank her Judicial nomination. Adams has one of rhe worst approval ratings in New York HISTORY. They are DESPERATE
koreamax t1_j69uzl6 wrote
This is a really good point, and you've definitely done your research. I think numbers like this, though, might give commuters some relief. People who take the subway daily, regardless of the month
devolka t1_j6a7woa wrote
I want the subway to be super safe for everyone so I'm pleased at the trend.
iv2892 t1_j69saam wrote
All ny post articles
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