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omgahya t1_j55t8x7 wrote

Suspect uses Knife Rob Misses

Victim uses Counter It’s Super Effective

Suspect faints

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throwawaitnine t1_j55uwmj wrote

This is fucked up. I know, FAFO, I get that. Dude definitely had it coming. It's fucked up 9:30 at night on Walnut St you have to get into a fight for you life and fucking stab someone to near death. I don't want to get robbed, I don't want to have to stab or shoot someone. I just want to go about my business, why is that too much to ask?

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ColdJay64 t1_j55vxpg wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#1,417,777)

It’s news because it almost never happens. There is never going to be absolutely zero crime, but personally I’d have no reservations about walking down Walnut at that exact time and place tonight. Especially because this fool is now off the street.

Yes though, everyone does deserve to go about their business undisturbed. I hope this person’s recovery is long and painful, there’s nothing lower than preying on innocent people.

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zjheyyy88 t1_j55ykps wrote

yikes. I work super close to 12th and Walnut :/

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MEB_PHL t1_j5603oe wrote

Honestly, I hope the guy is okay. Sudden forceful motion like stabbing your attacker multiple times can put some strain on your tendons.

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Edison_Ruggles t1_j565o87 wrote

I feel bad for the EMTs who had to deal with this guy.

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PhillyAccount t1_j565s22 wrote

Based on the video footage in the news report this was actually on Sansom outside of the Barstool bar.

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whomp1970 t1_j5663fn wrote

Lemme guess ... in some cruel turn of justice, the victim will get charged with some kind of assault with a deadly weapon.

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mundotaku t1_j56698f wrote

>The robbery victim was not injured.

Beautiful!

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Hib3rnian t1_j566isi wrote

Civil suit against original victim defending themselves from attacker by stabbing attacker filed by original attacker/attackers family in 3.. 2.. 1..

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User_Name13 t1_j567zlz wrote

Well, well, well. How the turntables ...

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Ulthanon t1_j5688a5 wrote

Call an ambulance! BUT NOT FOR ME

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Raecino t1_j56af50 wrote

Replying to ProphGhXXst (#1,417,459)

The good guys don’t always score unfortunately. I read a story earlier this morning of a guy who shot and killed someone trying to carjack him and he’s being charged with murder (in another state).

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ats1788 t1_j56bao8 wrote

Well, well, well, how the turntables…

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AbsentEmpire t1_j56bzvs wrote

I do like all the good news we've had on Fridays for the last several weeks. Clark and nimby fucks get slapped down by the courts, and now a victim successfully defending themselves against the scum.

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scrubadub t1_j56c845 wrote

Slightly more info: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cyclist-stabs-would-be-robber-with-own-knife-philly-police/ar-AA16zsH9

>A 31-year-old man was riding his bike on the 1200 block of Walnut Street in Center City at about 9:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 19, when a suspect approached him with a knife, the department said. 

>The victim lunged for the knife and struggled briefly against the suspect before prying it from his hands and stabbing the would-be thief in his neck and back, authorities claimed. 

>The suspect made one final effort to ride away on the 31-year-old's bike, but was easily knocked off, police continued. He was rushed to Jefferson University Hospital where he was placed in critical condition and remains in police custody, according to officials. 

>The cyclist, meanwhile, was treated for minor injuries, police said. 

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canihavemymoneyback t1_j56fn69 wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#1,417,777)

Try being female. By 9:30 pm we’re almost all behind locked doors. Next time you’re out after dark, look around and count the single females, the ones without a male escort. We’ve never been able to just “go about our business” after dark. Now that’s fucked up.

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Aromat_Junkie t1_j56gty1 wrote

Replying to ColdJay64 (#1,417,867)

I don't have any reservations about walking down Walnut, however, I always keep my head on a constant swivel. So clearly my brain doesn't think it's a zero risk situation. if I hear a weird noise in my parents bathroom taking a poop, I assume it's the boiler or the cat jumping around, if I hear gunshots, it's probably the neighbor shooting in their backyard. Could it be an intruder? maybe, guess I'll find out after I wipe.

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ColdJay64 t1_j56i4o0 wrote

Replying to Aromat_Junkie (#1,419,149)

Yes, awareness is always key when you're in a big city. I was more just saying that this doesn't mean it's unsafe to be out and about as there will never be zero risk anywhere. There are robberies all the time around Times Square for example (tourist from Maryland slashed last year, Ariana Grande's brother attacked/robbed in November, etc.), but I would still feel fine going there any time, day or night.

Unrelated, do you often hear gunshots while pooping?

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ColdJay64 t1_j56iaat wrote

Replying to canihavemymoneyback (#1,419,070)

It's always sad when I see the random posts on IG, Reddit etc. asking women "what would you do if men didn't exist for 24 hours?" and like half of them are saying they'd just walk around their cities at night.

I definitely don't count but I feel like in Center City, U City, and Grad Hospital I see a lot of women out at all times of night, old and young. Especially in Washington Square, there are senior citizens around at all hours lol.

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Avenger020331 t1_j56j2te wrote

Replying to Edison_Ruggles (#1,418,459)

The police likely scooped the stabbing victim and didn’t wait for medics as is typical in the city. I also didn’t read the article so correct me if I’m wrong.

Source: Philly medic who never makes it to stabbings/shootings because cops want to play medic.

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Jolly-joe t1_j56jsas wrote

Hoping he doesn't get charged with anything

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HobbyPlodder t1_j56kzga wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#1,417,777)

I've been going to a gym (originally 12th st gym, RIP) close to there for years, and that section of walnut is very sketchy on a non-party night.

There's always aggressive homeless dudes outside of the VIP Market and across from Woody's, and going east there's usually not much foot traffic after dinner time. I've seen teens throwing shit at a drunk homeless guy, I've been followed for 4-ish blocks by someone clearly mentally unstable, etc.

I assume it's because of proximity to market east, and it's worse post-covid. But it definitely was shocking to me that a rapidly gentrified gayborhood would be so sketch.

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exTOMex t1_j56mdr2 wrote

the classic call an ambulance but not for me

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Hib3rnian t1_j56pflj wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#1,418,689)

Yep, I hear that, but it's never stopped them from trying in the past. This is Philly, city of opportunities.

And there's plenty of scumbag lawyers that'll take the opportunity and twist it up so it's everything but what was reality.

Just saying, there's a fair chance it'll happen.

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PurpleWhiteOut t1_j56qvpm wrote

Replying to Avenger020331 (#1,419,319)

It's not that they want to "play" medic. The hospitals/universities did a study that showed a higher survival rate because police were more often able to get victims to hospitals faster. It does seem weird, but the data support it

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Fourlec t1_j56sd03 wrote

Wow. No piece of property is worth violence. I hope the stabber gets some consequences........................./s

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mikebailey t1_j56twhk wrote

Replying to Raecino (#1,418,743)

This is arguably an even bigger case of that because while we all agree the victim is the victim, not only did they have to flee but unless I missed something they became the one with the weapon. Knives are problematic legally because they’re much better at injuring than killing (stopping the threat)

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Palindromes__ t1_j56uflv wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#1,417,777)

No sympathy for the thief…. but the victim seems to be the one who turned it into a “fight for your life” situation. Guy was trying to steal his bike, victim initiated the struggle and ultimately stabbed him. Must have been a pretty nice bike, because I’m for damn sure not wrestling anyone with a knife over mine.

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GreenAnder t1_j56w6z2 wrote

The guy was stabbed multiple times and still tried to steal the bike? Dude, give it up. You fucked up.

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babywithahugedick t1_j56xj9s wrote

Hell yeah, fuck that guy but also fuck this city, this shit is absurd. Can't even ride your bike without someone fucking with you

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Avenger020331 t1_j5705y5 wrote

Replying to SuperScrodum (#1,419,975)

If I remember correctly, from people at hospitals and on the job involved in said study, the study ended up being skewed. Let me look for a source.

Just personal anecdote at this point but if you guys saw the way these victims were thrown around the back of a police car going Mach Jesus down these mangled up Philly streets, with no airway care or bleeding control attempted, you might think that maybe waiting for an ambulance was a better option.

I’ve watched cops and doctors pull out what was a perfectly viable person out of the back of a police cruiser floor, not seat. They had been thrown around so violently and landed in a position that offered no airway control or bleeding control and were DOA by the time they hit the hospital. Obviously attempts were made to resus. them, but extended downtime in the back of a cruiser all tangled up did not help their case.

Just my hot take which counts for nothing after all, but an inside view might help.

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karenmcgrane t1_j5739x1 wrote

Replying to scrubadub (#1,418,848)

> The suspect made one final effort to ride away on the 31-year-old's bike, but was easily knocked off

So this robber has just been stabbed in the neck and he makes one last attempt to steal the bike and actually gets on it and starts trying to ride away — while, again, bleeding profusely from the neck — and the guy shoves him off the bike?

Imagining this whole scene happening is just wild. I'm so glad the guy is okay and I hope he gets whatever counseling he needs. I can't imagine it's easy, physically or mentally, to actually have to stab someone in self defense, it's traumatic.

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Palindromes__ t1_j5740t6 wrote

Replying to f0rf0r (#1,420,630)

No, I hear that - I’m pumped the dude stood up for himself and kept his belongings. I was more responding to the part of the post where the guy says “it’s fucked up you can’t walk down walnut without without having to fight for your life and stab someone.”

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themoneybadger t1_j575lls wrote

Replying to Avenger020331 (#1,420,443)

Your cynicism is pretty messed up. Philly Police are generally dogshit but them diverting resources to get people to the hospital ASAP is probably the best thing they do. The fact that you are shitting all over it because you don't get to play medic first is really sad.

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themoneybadger t1_j577wyo wrote

Replying to Avenger020331 (#1,420,827)

Right. As opposed to the patient care they get bleeding out on the sidewalk while the cops wait for the ambulance, unsure when it will get there. Nobody is saying that a cop is a better transport than an ambulance. The choice is do nothing and wait, or take action and get to them to the hospital yourself.

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butterfly105 t1_j578v5p wrote

something about fucking and something about finding out something something

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Avenger020331 t1_j57bflu wrote

Replying to themoneybadger (#1,420,947)

I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m asking for better medical care for patients from all parties involved. The police are woefully undertrained in any sort of basic first aid. Including the use of tourniquets, many of which they carry on them but never use. And they have extras, not just ones for themselves should they need it.

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ThisHatRightHere t1_j57c8u8 wrote

Replying to scrubadub (#1,418,848)

This guy really fucked around and found out. One would hope this is a cautionary tale for people who attempt armed robbery, but the type of person who commits a crime like that isn’t one to learn from their mistakes.

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BleuBrink t1_j57cu30 wrote

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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karenmcgrane t1_j57e2bs wrote

Replying to scooter_se (#1,421,197)

I'm imagining the scene like, buddy you're not going anywhere, blood is spurting from your carotid artery, but the robber is wobbling away on this bike — he can barely keep himself upright — so our hero guy walks over and pushes him off the bike and he falls in shambles into the street with the bike on top of him.

I'm not trying to make light of this but if you saw this scene in a movie it would be hilarious.

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karenmcgrane t1_j57eq95 wrote

Replying to emet18 (#1,421,289)

See now I'm imagining that the hero guy develops a heretofore unknown thirst for blood now that he's had this experience. He could have gone his whole life not knowing how great it feels to stab a guy, but now nothing else will compare.

If the hero guy is reading this, sorry, I really don't want to be disrespectful of what you went through, it's just that this story is wild.

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Raecino t1_j57f9la wrote

Replying to collectallfive (#1,421,261)

Or maybe the fact when someone is robbing you it’s very likely they could kill you. You don’t have enough time in that type of situation (a violent robbery) to try to assess whether or not they’re going to kill you or not when you can defend yourself instead.

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collectallfive t1_j57fj9x wrote

Replying to Raecino (#1,421,402)

Idk why people think I'm disagreeing with anyone here. I fully agree. You should be able to kill anyone trying to take something from you.

I also agree with you. You should be able to kill people based on vibes.

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xMeepxx t1_j57ho2a wrote

Fuck around and find out bois

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Badkevin t1_j57k4pe wrote

My gosh, I’m so glad the 31 YO young man made it out with “minor injuries “. Dude can’t even bike in center city without fearing for cars and armed thieves!?!?

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NotUnstoned t1_j57nk1l wrote

Replying to Hib3rnian (#1,418,508)

I think he’ll be good. He got the knife from the attacker, stabbed him in the neck and back, then the attacker got up and tried to ride off on dudes bike. Dude pushed him off the bike and that was the end. If he had stabbed him again when he tried to ride away, he might be in trouble, but I think that last bit will save him legally.

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DuvalHeart t1_j57ulhd wrote

Replying to libananahammock (#1,422,194)

Nope, but there's no way to know if theft is the ultimate goal. If somebody is attacking you, you don't know how far they're willing to go. And even shoving somebody to the ground can kill them (not that this is a reasonable thing for a healthy adult to worry about). But the theft isn't the problem, the assault is.

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DuvalHeart t1_j57vmdr wrote

Replying to collectallfive (#1,421,168)

No, you should be able to defend yourself against someone using violence against you.

It isn't about property or killing them. It's about protecting yourself from serious harm or death. If a 90 lb. school kid shoves you, you don't get to kill them, because a reasonable person wouldn't consider that to be a serious/deadly attack.

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Bisexual_Republican t1_j57w1ip wrote

Replying to nowtayneicangetinto (#1,420,395)

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I'm willing to bet he has no more training than pure civil rage, pent up from years of watching the police do next to nothing to stop the increase in violence because they hate Krasner, and the idea that if he didn't act here, he may die and never see his family, his wife, or his kids again.

A civilian took not just justice into his own hands here, but his own survival.

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livimae t1_j5802z0 wrote

Very Philly. I love it. Slay.

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ThisHatRightHere t1_j583tj9 wrote

Replying to collectallfive (#1,422,353)

It very much is different. Everyone in here is saying yes, you should have the right to defend yourself in a life or death situation and not suffer negative consequences because of it. Everything you’ve said tells me you’re the type of person who looks for trouble so they can have the opportunity to seem like a hero. That’s some psycho shit my dude.

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l_rufus_californicus t1_j5870rn wrote

What do you do for an encore - I mean, when you get out of the hospital and prison - when finding out your life has gone so wrong that you can't even violent crime?

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Peemster99 t1_j58l8xk wrote

Replying to HobbyPlodder (#1,419,449)

The whole area between 12th and Broad has always had a level of pure sketchiness. There was pretty open male prostitution up until around 2010 and locker breakins have always been pretty common in the gyms in the area.

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Bartleby_TheScrivene t1_j5a08gd wrote

If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim.

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The_Prince1513 t1_j5a7zig wrote

Replying to libananahammock (#1,422,194)

No but assault with a deadly weapon can be.

Would be much different story if the robber just tried to use intimidation/his fists and got stabbed.

If you use deadly force against someone to commit a crime you deserve whatever you get.

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GodfatherOfGanja t1_j5aqb26 wrote

Aw, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. God. Oh, I'm hurt. Oh, my neck, my back, my neck and my back. Oh, I want $150,000, but we can settle out of court right now for your bike

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babywithahugedick t1_j5f5l85 wrote

Replying to ColdJay64 (#1,420,527)

Yeah and I'm one of them. Doesn't make this even remotely acceptable. Our city needs to do better and it starts with people not brushing this shit aside by saying "well actually thousands of people do this everyday so it isn't a problem". Thousands of people ride the BSL and MFL everyday without incident but it doesn't make the state of our subways any less abhorrent.

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ColdJay64 t1_j5fsj43 wrote

Replying to babywithahugedick (#1,437,580)

You said “can’t even ride your bike without someone fucking with you.” I responded because that’s not remotely true, as this was an anomaly.

Had you said “this is rare for Center City but our city should be doing better to address general safety issues”, I would fully agree.

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babywithahugedick t1_j5fy8qb wrote

Replying to ColdJay64 (#1,439,277)

Mass shootings are anomalies vs normal shootings, but after a mass shooting people say things like "can't even go to the grocery store/movie theater/etc. without worrying about getting shot" - would you argue semantics with those people, or agree that it's a problem that these things are happening at all, regardless of their frequency or overall likelihood? Our city has a random violent crime crisis and the various individualized ways people are victimized speaks to the larger issue.

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[deleted] t1_j6jwku6 wrote

Replying to TripleSkeet (#1,624,800)

weight classes exist in fighting to ensure fair bouts for trained fighters -- those calculated kicks, punches, throws, and grapples are different at various weights.

if someone wants to 'overpower an opponent' they should be getting trained (in whatever discipline they choose -- boxing, muay thai, bjj, whatever) in self-defense so that they know how to do those kicks, punches, throws, and grapples -- having bigger biceps or a stronger bench-press does fuck-all for fighting

i've seen plenty of big dudes have their asses kicked by smaller, weaker seeming guys -- the extra weight does nothing for you unless you know how to use it

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TripleSkeet t1_j6lwyw8 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,628,717)

It doesnt guarantee anything, but it can help. Yea Ive seen bigger dudes get beat up by smaller guys too. Ive also seen bigger dudes who maybe werent as good a fight as a smaller dude pick them up off their feet and slam them into the ground like a sack of potatoes. Ending the fight in one quick motion.

Most people arent trained fighters. And if 2 untrained fighters are going against each other, the bigger one usually wins.

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