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DDWingert t1_jdrmuxq wrote

I read most of the article, not too deeply, and found myself wondering: IS this what the ancients thought, or is it the blogger's interpretation of what the ancients thought?

I've read a bit of Plato's works, through which I was introduced to Socrates, and I've dabbled in the Stoics, among others. Not a philosopher at heart, my soul argues against most of what's written about the meaning of life.

My life means something to me, and could just as easily mean something else to another observer. My opinion is all that matters, to my way of thinking.

We each live in this silo of our own making, and we act in accordance with our biorhythms, and external stimuli. We do not have the option of straying far from the path our feet take us over. Our life is experiential and we rarely get to choose our experiences.

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ASpiralKnight t1_jdt0kel wrote

Is the strictest manner of speaking no one can have certainty of the thoughts of others without reading their minds.

Socrates through Plato is as close as one can get, given his own lack of writing. That too suffers language and other barriers.

I don't personally see history of philosophy as primarily deriving value through perfectly accurate accounts of beliefs, but rather though exposing the range of rationals and justifications previously explored, for the benefit of ones own philosophical evaluations (or amusement).

Consider for example how early members of the academy had little consideration of the possibility of the lack of a free will, because the topics has little exposure and exploration at the time. Their writing might therefore sound less compelling to you than later philosophers.

Of course the stoics were determinists, but also compatibilists who emphasize the importance of choice.

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DDWingert t1_jdtifz6 wrote

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, but honestly, I don't have any idea what you've said.

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DDWingert t1_jdwso0b wrote

After re-reading this, I get it. Thanks. :)

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dolphin37 t1_jdt3i81 wrote

I’m sure you would have a view on how your life should interact with other lives. I think that’s the crux of the issue here. In a world with an array of interacting life, some kind of hierarchy is inevitably created. It’s perfectly fine to say your own value of your own life is all that matters to you, but there is more going on and it’s just whether you choose to make an attempt to define some standards in that space or whether you just leave it to the individual in every case. The result could be a pedophiles life is worth living because it means something to them, which is a legitimate outcome but might have some objections!

To your first question though, it’s definitely the interpretation of the reader. As with anything, a lot of translation and interpretation has to happen. Even if you asked the men themselves, they may give you a different response at a different stage in life. It’s rare we settle on something forever!

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DDWingert t1_jdtjd8i wrote

>I’m sure you would have a view on how your life should interact with other lives. I think that’s the crux of the issue here.

"I’m sure you would have a view on how your life should interact with other lives. I think that’s the crux of the issue here."

Actually, no. I do not have a view on how my life should react to others'. The point, as I understand it is, as whether the ancients thought "a self-examined life is worth living." My answer did not agree. It is not the act of self-examination that gives our life meaning.

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dolphin37 t1_jdtok3x wrote

Hmm well you said it means something to you and your opinion is all that matters, which isn’t a disagreement to self-examination. It’s actually in the path to agreement. Disregarding that, you’re now saying you have no view on interaction with other lives. So to you murdering somebody would be the same as helping somebody? If I assume the answer is that there is a difference, you are assigning a value to other lives and it’s a natural step to say that taking a life would be a bad use of life. It’s then a natural step to discourage that bad use of life, as it has a negative affect on life overall

Like I said it’s fine to take different views such as value not being dependent on self examination. But I don’t think it adds up to say we just live in an option-less silo. It seems to quite evidently not be the case

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EasternArm2352 t1_jdu9fb7 wrote

You can murder to help someone. Assault victims for example. They aren't mutually exclusive

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MrCW64 t1_jduqr1j wrote

> you’re now saying you have no view on interaction with other lives. So to you murdering somebody would be the same as helping somebody?

No. You are taking it out of context. You omitted the word "how"

The point that was being made is that there is no preconceived idea. Not that nothing matters.

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dolphin37 t1_jdus2dv wrote

Can you explain why you think that makes any difference?

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MrCW64 t1_jdupsao wrote

There is only one choice. From that choice alone the illusion of freewill is born out.

Consider a simple thing like visiting an ice cream vendor and picking a flavour of ice cream. Are you actually making a free choice? Or are you in reality merely reacting in accordance to the sum of all your experiences to date? E.g. did you pick vanilla because that was what your mother always gave you? Or rum raisin because you haven't tried it yet, and your father rigorously impressed upon you the importance of trying new things? Or are you standing there lost in a daydream about the philosophical implications of the ability to be able to choose or not because of some comment you read on reddit that one time? Or are you simply unfortunate to be born in world that has mundane trivialities like choices of ice cream when you could have been lost in the endless bliss of pure love of God?

The thing about philosophy is, it doesn't tend to get you anywhere. You can speculate endlessly about anything, often with very good rational arguments that set a coherent and complete system of thought. But if it isn't grounded in reality it remains only speculation and thought. Real knowledge is realized from experience.

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Frozenlime t1_jdsoujy wrote

The point of life is to try to enjoy it as much as you can before you die.

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MrCW64 t1_jduqypk wrote

That is the point of animal life. Not human life. The point of human life is self realization

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Frozenlime t1_jdur66w wrote

I disagree, enjoying life is the most sensible purpose of life, they are not however, mutually exclusive.

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