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wlliam7378xy t1_iwgl22m wrote

Reply to comment by New_Area7695 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | November 14, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt

You are hilarious. Positioning a lack of access to a type of food someone is fond of as more cruel than life (and death) in a factory farm.

I'd say you cannot be serious, but in actuality that arugment is emblematic of the age old foundation of every unjust relation: the idea of an intrinsic right to domination over others. Under that paradigm, the only tyranny you're capable of recognising is the deprivation of your right to opress whichever others are in the crosshairs this time.

>When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

Also, your spiel on slaughterhouse workers is a non-sensical ramble. Firstly, none of those other jobs are entirely centred around non-stop horrific acts from 9 til' 5. Secondly, the horrific acts are not comparable, not even if you believe killing animals for food is justified. Vets and Doctors are ultimately helping humans and non-humans. Slaughterhouse workers are abusing, harming and killing animals for a commodity to be sold. It's a fucking horrible job, you wouldn't want to do it. Which is exactly why there are no support structures, the only people willing to take the job do so because they have no choice, a good portion of precarious immigrant workers and even prison labourers are involved. Do you seriously think anyone cares what trauma they go through?

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Beautiful_Look_8441 t1_iwh11qm wrote

Do you seriously think anyone cares what trauma they go through?

I think some people do I certainly don’t care , why should anyone care? Do people honestly care about famines , wars , homelessness etc , etc around the world ? Is it just something we say to make us feel somehow more virtuous than others?

What does it mean to “care “ in such a situation how would it look to actually “care “?

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wlliam7378xy t1_iwhm3jl wrote

I think that a lot of people do honestly care about all the issues you listed.

As for what it actually looks like, well, that depends. In the best case, care toward something entails action. In the case of those issues, various actions which materially affect those issues on varying scales, from signing petitions or giving to charity to taking in refugees or other direct action.

Yes people lie about caring for various reasons. But I think a feeling of genuine care toward something compells people into action to some degree. Most people may fall short of self-directed effort to seek and find effective action. However possesing a passive feeling of care may make someone more likely to take up the oppertunity when it arises, they may throw change in the charity box when they see one, they may sign up to a protest when asked, etc.

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Beautiful_Look_8441 t1_iwkdb86 wrote

I think that a lot of people do honestly care about all the issues you listed.

Yet famine is still with , homelessness etc ,etc and I think it always will be

As for what it actually looks like, well, that depends. In the best case, care toward something entails action. In the case of those issues, various actions which materially affect those issues on varying scales, from signing petitions or giving to charity to taking in refugees or other direct action.

Yes , but it does seems that only certain levels of care really make impact of any kind

Yes people lie about caring for various reasons. But I think a feeling of genuine care toward something compells people into action to some degree. Most people may fall short of self-directed effort to seek and find effective action.

I think most people have enough on their plates with taking care of family and those closet to them. I have to admit when I give to anyone it’s mostly a homeless guy on the street , most charities I’ve seen in operation over here are smoothly run businesses where only a fraction of the money goes to the actual charity .

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However possesing a passive feeling of care may make someone more likely to take up the oppertunity when it arises, they may throw change in the charity box when they see one, they may sign up to a protest when asked, etc

I guess to me when I say I care it results in actual caring from my perspective that would mean a committed hands on effort , but there are degrees of care it seems and we each have our own ideas of what that means and it’s dependent on who or what we are caring for

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wlliam7378xy t1_iwlv3t9 wrote

I think the existence of famine, homelessness, etc are for most part political problems. The point being that solutions will require massive restructuring on a societal level. I think at the end of the day what matters when it comes to change in the world is action. 'Care' is often a precursor to said action, but not always, so I suppose it's only really relevant in a limited capacity. The only reason I mentioned it in first place is to demonstrate why there is little support available for certain workers despite the harsh and detrimental conditions.

I don't actually like charities or NGO's either. I'd also rather give my money to a homeless person on the street any day over those organisations for the very reasons you lay out.

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