Time in the water >>> Timing the water

Surfing is one of my favorite things to be not good at.

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The same can be said for a lot of activities like this.

I own a Onewheel which is an electronic skateboard with a single wheel.

They call it "floating" when you ride and it's seriously meditative. When you really get into it it's very serendipitous.

Yeah. Surfers come across waves and they know which one is a good wave to ride it. A comparison to coming across a new result by chance and recognizing it as a good idea to follow.

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How many of us really surf around here ? Definitely not an image thing 😂

Time in the water gives you time to blow waves

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I recently watched the yin and yang of gerry lopez which I think taught a similar lesson with a real life example and living legend. Give it a watch.

The ying and the yang my friend.

😂😂😂 Underrated post 👌

Time in the water gives you time to "warm up" the wetsuit

Time in the water gives you time to drink.

MacIntyre is super important IMO and not nearly enough people know the ideas he was getting at. Think about all the time people spend arguing on the internet - what are they actually doing? Concepts like "blue lies," "concern trolls," and other social behaviors around rhetoric that undermine discourse as debate - if you have some MacIntyre handy it makes a lot more sense than if you don't.

I'm a surfer. Hopefully not a dickhead. The best surfer out there is the one having the best time. I don't know why so many are such miserable, miserly, judgemental fucks.

This is pretty basic freshman year philosophy stuff. If you're finding it really crazy and eye-opening then this is probably an area where you could blow your mind a lot!

It's long, but it's reasonably well-organized and I think it makes straightforward sense. I didn't make up the terminology.

None of this depends on free will or karma - at least not in the sense that it requires there to be an external punisher who enforces compliance with moral rules or a externally verifiable sense that things could have happened in ways other than they did. A lot of ethics does involve seriously thinking about why anyone would want to be ethical, and it doesn't start and stop with just the supernatural or speculative.

Something can be "the right thing to do" because, for example, it leads to you becoming the person you want to be. And whether you have free will or not does not matter. It can be the right thing to do because it's what you would want people to do for you, which also isn't an exotic concern.

In general this sub is way too obsessed with speculative questions of free will, sentience, determinism, consciousness, and "nihilism" and not really concerned with or interested enough in what life is actually like and how philosophy as a broad literature might give you a systematic way of speaking about it and making some sense of it. Of course you could accuse philosophers of the same thing but that's not always the case.

I just think your initial question in this comment thread isn't really a "free will" question - because whether you have free will or not I think if you're talking about change over time there is a role for random chance as a retroactive explanation that has a role in grasping moral situations.

Because its the image, and surfers are image obsessed

Lol, I think you got Miyagi-ed. Your instructor taught you a lesson, just not the one you wanted. Your lesson was more cultural. Surf brah culture is filled with these shitheads. It's totally unique to surfing too when compared to other sports....skateboarding, BMX, mountain biking , and whitewater in my experience.

A bit blunt but true. You need space to surf, even if you have good control, and waves are only so big.