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chuckie512 t1_jcdof2n wrote

Reply to comment by Delicious-Newt-5674 in What is the rationale when bikers go to the front of a line of cars? by TonyUncleJohnny412

Penndot pub380 calls out that bikes can.

(EDIT: And that vehicle code explicitly calls out motorcycles, which bicycles are not)

Chapter nine has a whole section on it.

>GETTING THROUGH TRAFFIC JAMS
Traffic jams do not have to stop you—that is one of the biggest ad - van tages of bicycling in the city. However, in the tight quarters of a tie-up, take extra care. Stopped cars in a traffic jam present the same hazards as parked cars: blindspots, doors and unpredictable starts and turns.
If there is an open passing lane, use it rather than thread between cars. If the street is completely plugged, pick your way forward slowly and with your hands on the brake levers. Remember, any car door could open!
If you are in a traffic jam, you can be sure that the cars will not move, since they have nowhere to go. However, if there is an open driveway or parking space into which a car could turn, you have to assume that it will. Look to see whether the car's front wheels are turned. Move away from the side of the car as you pass, and try to get the driver's attention as you approach the front of the car.
When cars are stopped, but not completely bumper to bumper, be very wary of cars from other lanes cutting across in the gaps. Stop and look before you move out into a gap. Be especially careful if the vehicle you are passing, like many vans, does not have a hood you can see over.

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqhr11 wrote

This only applies to “traffic jams” though.

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chuckie512 t1_jcqjm6c wrote

What's the law that says they can't?

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqkeie wrote

Are bikes not vehicles that have to follow the traffic laws?

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chuckie512 t1_jcqkp0p wrote

Which traffic laws?

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqla13 wrote

Dude you are being intentionally obtuse.

https://www.etownonline.com/sites/g/files/vyhlif3091/f/uploads/pa_bicycle_code_-chapter_35.pdf

Says that bikers are subject to the same duties as cars. I’m not about to find the particular section that says you have to stop at red lights and can’t just pass other cars in non-passing lanes. Like what is your argument? That bikers aren’t subject to the law? Can do whatever they want?

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chuckie512 t1_jcqlqu6 wrote

I'm just saying that what you're saying is illegal isn't. You can't even post the law that says it is.

Sorry that a cyclists trying to not die at a red light ruined your day because you were behind them for 3 blocks.

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqlzky wrote

Lol ok dude, you’re right, bikers aren’t subject to any laws or regulations. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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chuckie512 t1_jcqmbwp wrote

Fun fact about our government: you can't be subject to a law that doesn't exist.

Hope this helps you pass your elementary school civics test!

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqn2t5 wrote

I’m not about to spend the time finding the exact statute that says vehicles (which bikes are considered per the fucking link above) have to stop at red lights and can’t just cut to the front of the line whenever they want. Feel free to die on the hill that there are no traffic laws. Bizarre.

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chuckie512 t1_jcqnfdl wrote

Lol stay mad bro.

I'll be sure to stay in the middle of the lane and pedal extra slow just for you next time I'm in squirrel hill.

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69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_jcqtmb4 wrote

> I’m not about to spend the time finding the exact statute

You've sat here crying about it for three days, so I'm assuming you've already put the time in trying to find the exact statute and couldn't. Because it doesn't exist.

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chuckie512 t1_jcqwy6b wrote

Guy probably thinks the bike boxes/advanced stop lines around the city are just green pieces of street art.

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69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_jcqx5qc wrote

The issue here is that I don't think he thinks about it at all. The issue here is "someone is going faster than I am/passing me and that's unfair and makes me big mad."

 
You see that sort of behavior on the Parkway West going towards Robinson all the time. People will speed and weave through traffic to get to the front of the pack and stay there. Just their lizard brain screaming "I HAVE TO BE FIRST" at them.

 
Arguing about the legality of it is just window dressing to make his temper tantrum sound reasonable.

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqujaq wrote

There’s a link above saying cyclists have to follow the same laws as drivers. Not sure what else I should have to provide but go off king.

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69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_jcqwvl4 wrote

You keep claiming that PennDOT is deliberately encouraging cyclists to do illegal things in their official publications. That's one hell of a claim to make and you've presented nothing that would convince me that PennDOT is actually doing that.
 
Keep seething about being passed by a cyclist though, because we all know that the actual problem here is that you got big mad about it, not whether or not it's allowed.

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TonyUncleJohnny412 OP t1_jcqxp4k wrote

Nobody is “seething” my guy. You come in with a horrible attitude and insult people and expect them to treat you with respect. Don’t know how many times I have to explain that PennDOT says you can lane filter in a “traffic jam,” but it’s clear you don’t want to have a real discussion. We both know you know it’s illegal. I’d respect it a lot more if you just admitted it.

Have a terrible night!

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69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_jcqzpbq wrote

> We both know you know it’s illegal.

 
Then call the cops over it, you big fucking crybaby. Call the cops and tell them you're big mad about a cyclist that delayed you by 18 seconds three days ago.
 
Or just keep seething, either option is funny to me.

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