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UNKWNDTH2002 t1_j9bzj62 wrote
cyclist didn't do anything wrong
fluufhead t1_j9c0age wrote
I think you meant to post this here: https://richmond.craigslist.org/search/mis
RulerOfTheRest t1_j9c0wxm wrote
If you don't have one already, get a dash cam. They're very useful in the event you do hit someone that fails to yield the right of way, or hits you due to their own neglect, especially the way folks love to ignore the traffic laws in this city...
fiestymcshiesty t1_j9c1k49 wrote
How do you figure?
nite_rituals t1_j9c382i wrote
Second paragraph sounds like premeditated assult…but I’m no expert
mmeat1148 t1_j9c3qct wrote
if someone throws themselves in front of a train would you consider a warning poster a threat of assault? same thing here. People in this city have a death wish, and most motorists are just trying to avoid them.
surpriseskin t1_j9c74qm wrote
I don't love that cyclists in Richmond routinely break traffic laws.
However I also fucking hate that it's nearly impossible to safely bike around Richmond, law abiding or not. We are not a bike or walking friendly city and it shows. For god sake, Virginia specifies that bike lanes first and foremost are a motor vehicle disaster recovery zone. I know that I would never feel safe biking down Government Road or Williamsburg Avenue in the bike lanes because people drive like maniacs.
With the amount of traffic, pedestrian, and biker deaths Richmond sees year after year you'd think leadership would consider the system at fault.
> I get that cities are built for cars
This mentality sucks. Lots of cities aren't built for cars -- Paris, Amsterdam, Venice are all examples of this. America needs to catch up. Cars ruin cities.
DeezSaggyNuts t1_j9ca1o1 wrote
I always make sure to grab some popcorn before hopping into a cars and cyclist post. Always a cordial understanding conversation to read through.
Nothing2SeeHere4U t1_j9cafub wrote
the older I get the more I relate to Abe Simpson
Nothing2SeeHere4U t1_j9canuo wrote
yeah, I have one, too many friends got screwed by not having evidence. Still, I'd rather not have to use it, especially in a case like this
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cb9jc wrote
The broad street bullies blocking entire intersections don't help the perception of bikers. Get rid of them and I'll stand behind law abiding bikers all day
iWannaCupOfJoe t1_j9cbnri wrote
I know they had a proposed law to legalize stop as yield and red light as stop sign for bikers, but I don’t think that has passed. I wish they would pass the law, so automobile drives would stop bitching about me clearing an intersection.
[deleted] OP t1_j9cbpfd wrote
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surpriseskin t1_j9ccizm wrote
Agreed.
I have sympathy for them because I hate cars, but I also can't help but to say "what the fuck" when they're popping wheelies in the middle of lanes blocking traffic.
I stand by changing the infrastructure here to be more bike and pedestrian friendly. Fuck cars.
foureyeswithbeard t1_j9ce5pd wrote
Yeah those car drivers sure never block intersections! Or bike lanes... Or bus stops... Or driveways... Or alleys....
Pot meet kettle. Move along.
fluufhead t1_j9ceabl wrote
Drivers causing deadly collisions with cyclists don't help the perception of motorists. Get rid of them and BSB won't block roads anymore
iwearlederhosen t1_j9celt2 wrote
There's no aggregate organized group of vehicle drivers set to intentionally break laws like the bullies that I'm aware of.
I personally always give way to pedestrians and cyclists in the right of way and crosswalks when the lights are in their favor and don't park in bike lanes.
Point deducted
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cfcce wrote
So intentionally look like morons blocking streets to draw attention to drivers hitting others with no real other presence to advertise that fact? No. They are just out to be assholes because of the issue. Nothing they are doing otherwise is helping the issue.
No one calls their organization a bully with the actual intent of resolving something?
ddm2k t1_j9cfcgw wrote
Bullshit yes they will. “And BSB won’t block roads anymore” so you’re admitting they’re a terrorist organization?
foureyeswithbeard t1_j9cflp4 wrote
There are lots of groups like that. Some drive through Richmond occasionally doing doughnuts in intersections (here's a fun one from last year: https://www.carscoops.com/2022/02/police-stop-car-club-plan-to-takeover-richmond-virginia-for-donuts-and-drifts/). There are drag racing groups, there's the old cannonball run across the country - tons of car groups that love to skirt the law.
Then there are just the tons of unaffiliated drivers who speed, drive while texting, DWI (it was JUST a few beers!), hop into the shoulder if there is traffic, etc. Ignoring the law and other people's well-being doesn't require a group affiliation! The potential for damage is significantly higher from a single driver on a highway texting than nearly anything a cyclist is capable of.
I am all down for you wanting to advocate for better adherence to infrastructure and legislature, but trying to call out the bullies as some kind of cyclist-only anomaly is weak.
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foureyeswithbeard t1_j9ch4wc wrote
In case you are open to learning more, here are some stories from the last year - two of VA cyclists getting killed while seemingly adhering to the law and one of a seeming group of organized drivers out to maim/kill cyclists by dooring them.
RufusDelgado t1_j9chwe1 wrote
Get a dash cam and shame them post it on social media.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9ci0m2 wrote
Thank you. It's not that I disagree there's a problem with drivers. It's more than the BSB are not seen as a solution or even contributing to it but rather a ragtag group that is out it just have fun running lights and blocking streets
chairmanbrando t1_j9citec wrote
90% of cyclists give the 10% a bad name! This is an outrage!
autotelica t1_j9cjffs wrote
I admit to riding through some intersections. But never Belvidere and Franklin. Not only is there a lot of traffic there, but it is a super complicated traffic pattern.
fluufhead t1_j9cjowc wrote
A protest you can easily ignore is a shitty protest sorry
nite_rituals t1_j9ck1ke wrote
A train is on a track…but once again I am no expert
fluufhead t1_j9ckgta wrote
The false equivalency between hundreds of cyclists getting killed every year and the minor inconvenience caused by a group bike ride is morally bankrupt, hate to break it to you
Huckles123 t1_j9ckr4n wrote
You’re right, you don’t seem to be an expert. Try harder.
defnotthepresident t1_j9cl1o8 wrote
Gotta work on your reading comprehension homie
> I get that cities are built for cars
was OP saying 'yeah it does suck that our city is designed for cars and i do not celebrate that' not saying it was good or right or even insurmountable
nite_rituals t1_j9cl5w8 wrote
Charles_Britt t1_j9cmtzn wrote
"One of these days I'm not going to be paying attention while I drive my tank around and Im going to actually kill you and wipe the concrete with your body."
Charles_Britt t1_j9cn0rd wrote
True! the motorists are never breaking laws or making mistakes and almost killing people because of it. Its those damn cyclists that are all trying to kill themselves by being in front of my giant metal box when its my turn to press the forward pedal!
zazzersmel t1_j9cn8gd wrote
yes sir! getting rid of them now. i eagerly await your approval!
JVorhees t1_j9cnh9q wrote
Tell me about your street racing skills.
JVorhees t1_j9cnib2 wrote
You get rid of the DUI people and I'll support car drivers. That sounded stupid as fuck.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cnyw0 wrote
The point is that you don't move people to support your side by being jerks and blocking roads and having no actual legislative action to change things. A bunch of people riding bikes to AI, oh cars are bad, does less than nothing
JVorhees t1_j9cod87 wrote
The point is they represent me as much as drunk drivers represent you.
ddm2k t1_j9coest wrote
Morals - the red herring of choice when cyclists break traffic laws.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cots9 wrote
Lol. I would never support a DD. How does your training even work. Because I think the BSB are jackasses I automatically support the worst of the drivers. You're so dumb
rvapedant t1_j9cpab1 wrote
> 2000 pounds of metal is going to obliterate you and your bike, and ruin or end your life.
Many recent cars or pickup trucks are like 4000-6000 pounds. Even an early Miata was more than 2000 pounds!
Actually not posting to be pedantic for once, only clarifying to help people realize how bad that impact could be :-(
surpriseskin t1_j9cpf51 wrote
I understood the mentality. It was resignation.
JVorhees t1_j9cpf89 wrote
Why should I be responsible for getting rid of the broad street bullies before you get rid of drunk drivers?
crusty_fleshlight t1_j9cpitr wrote
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cpmy2 wrote
Who said you need to get rid of the BSB? But they are the only ones that make themselves a menace in support of bikers
JVorhees t1_j9cprmf wrote
You did.
>Get rid of them and I'll stand behind law abiding bikers all day
Definitely don't drive right now.
JVorhees t1_j9cpwct wrote
He should take it up on himself to correct his fellow car drivers like he suggested cyclists should.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9cq7x0 wrote
Will do. Continue to drive that is. Assmunch
JVorhees t1_j9cqea1 wrote
Lol. Don't worry, wasn't thinking you were going to exercise
WEINER_SCHLAP t1_j9cqf8v wrote
Would you consider yourself accountable for murder if someone jumped off a bridge and hit your car on the way down?
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cqg97 wrote
It wasn't me who said that, but it's pretty clear it wasn't direct at you, specifically but to the powers that be in RVA.
Wow.
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cqhh6 wrote
Don't worry, they're dense.
JVorhees t1_j9cqnlg wrote
Was it the person I was responding to that said that?
fluufhead t1_j9crc5j wrote
This person's argument is the exact same type of concern trolling that Mitch McConnell uses. They are extremely close to demanding that all cyclists denounce antifa and the communist destruction they have wrought on America's cities.
iwearlederhosen t1_j9crfcw wrote
Because cycling is the only way to exercise safely? 😂
JVorhees t1_j9crkw9 wrote
No, it not safe because of angry couch potatoes
fluufhead t1_j9crlw6 wrote
Doubling down when challenged - the go-to response of people who need therapy but will never get it
JVorhees t1_j9cs2th wrote
Dense how? You had to chime in and tell me you weren't the person that said it! No shit genius! It's this person that said it. Wtf are you talking about and why?
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9ct8iz wrote
You're proving how dense you are.
I chimed in to point out that you misunderstood their original statement to me directed at you specifically, when it clearly wasn't.
No one expects YOU to fix the issue with broad St bullies. Sheesh.
JVorhees t1_j9ctpia wrote
He wasn't naming me specifically? What?
No shit, genius. He made a dumbass comment suggesting all cyclists were responsible for a fringe group. I was clowning him for making a moronic statement. Then you came along dragging your shoes in doodoo attempting to "clarify". Stfu and get lost.
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cvqq5 wrote
That's not what they said... Or what they implied.
Radical-Normie t1_j9cvuij wrote
Sounds thoughtful until you realize speeding cars kill more people than bikes ever will… y’all keep hating bikes and taking up all the air while the speeding/distracted motorists rack up the kills in the tens of thousands.
JVorhees t1_j9cvya6 wrote
>The broad street bullies blocking entire intersections don't help the perception of bikers. Get rid of them and I'll stand behind law abiding bikers all day
What was it they said instead of this?
And also, did you really think I expect this douchebag to end DUIs?
Nothing2SeeHere4U t1_j9cx9po wrote
I'm extremely pro bike, up until one runs out in front of me while I'm driving through an intersection which is signalled for my right of way.
This is not an anti bike post. This is a "I almost killed a biker today due to their own negligence please be more aware" post
Radical-Normie t1_j9cxcsl wrote
Cars do the same thing. Write a love letter to them.
Nothing2SeeHere4U t1_j9cxjnp wrote
My guy, cars have safety features that make t boning less lethal. Bikes are just a frame and a helmet. I hate cars who run reds more than bikers who do because of the danger involved. You're being intentionally obtuse
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cxm6u wrote
Nice name-calling. Reported.
nite_rituals t1_j9cxvn3 wrote
Have you seen the movie The Good Son with Macaulay Culkin
JVorhees t1_j9cxwgj wrote
The person that started the name-calling by calling me dense reported me! Oh no. What a fucking nerd.
ZephyrInfernum t1_j9cyees wrote
Lmao. Okay keyboard warrior.
nite_rituals t1_j9cyl9k wrote
You may consider yourself to be “extremely pro bike” but your post is attracting the exact opposite. Posts like yours really brings out the people who love to see violence.
JVorhees t1_j9cyzhl wrote
Warrior how? You can't follow basic comments. Wtf.
Charlesinrichmond t1_j9czaez wrote
it really doesn't matter if it's 2k, 4k, or 6k. All are more than enough to squish.
Captain_Tiberius t1_j9d1wkm wrote
Going westbound on Franklin in the bike lane is a nightmare. Car drivers going eastbound and turning left onto Belvidere rarely look for on-coming cyclists, especially when they are trying to beat the light.
Diet_Coke t1_j9d232p wrote
The point of the Broad St Bullies and Critical Mass taking over the street is that it's an inconvenience to drivers for like 10 minutes once per week, but that's how the roads feel for cyclists every other minute of the week.
pocketdare t1_j9d2m4r wrote
I like the fact that Mr Vorhees took this very very personally and decided to get into a flame war with not just you, but another innocent bystander who chimed in to try to explain that it was a general comment about a group that gives bikers a bad name and not a comment about all bikers on earth.
PayneTrainSG t1_j9d329w wrote
If this city had a high supply of cash and didn't know what to do with it, one thing I would spend it on would be a bike lane tunnel under Belivdere for the Franklin lanes east of Franklin that pops the lanes out on the Monroe Park side of the street until Monument. I can't imagine riding a bike through that with any considerable speed even on a green light.
pocketdare t1_j9d3p0k wrote
Sure enough ... based on the flame wars below, it appears that the vision of a world in which drivers and bikers cheerfully co-exist will need to wait for another day.
nite_rituals t1_j9d6jyq wrote
Let’s see the dashcam footage
chihuahua001 t1_j9d7icm wrote
How much over the speed limit were you doing?
HedleyLamaar t1_j9d7ka7 wrote
Can you recommend one?
chihuahua001 t1_j9d7l73 wrote
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d7tor wrote
They do nothing for reform while they "bully" everyone including pedestrians trying to cross the street with the laws. I've been stuck trying to walk across with the signal with these d bags while they play 'activist".
chihuahua001 t1_j9d7xdx wrote
Cars are what make people get this mad at people having fun
[deleted] OP t1_j9d89iw wrote
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Diet_Coke t1_j9d8dp0 wrote
Oh man, that must have been so terrible having to stand in one spot for five or so minutes, I'm glad you made it through that atrocious behavior
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d8wqi wrote
It's not me against people having fun. It's more about people obeying the current laws and not using this as a guise that it's somehow going to change drivers actions or laws for pedestrian and bicyclists protections.
There are legitimate ways to get things changed if that's really what the point is
P45t3LPUnK t1_j9d90wg wrote
If I can’t break laws riding a bike, what’s the point? I mine as well commit to driving a car and promote the slavery mining of lithium batteries
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d9b4f wrote
Yes it was an inconvenience, especially considering if it was supposedly for my, as a pedestrian, benefit. I previously watched someone walk with the crosswalk thru the dicks running the light and thankfully they were unharmed but one of the cyclists tripped themselves up and crashed avoiding them. It does neither any benefit to do lawless things like this
chihuahua001 t1_j9d9d1q wrote
Fuck the current laws. Traffic laws exist to keep morons in cars from killing each other. In the absence of cars, cyclists can intermingle without substantial traffic control.
Whens the last time you exceeded the speed limit or rolled through a stop sign or light?
iwearlederhosen t1_j9d9pqv wrote
I don't actually. As someone who doesn't own a vehicle and only drives a monitored company vehicle, homey don't play that. Care to try again
JosefDerArbeiter t1_j9dcdye wrote
Hell yeah. Like the tunnel under Overbrook at Battery Park.
CLBr t1_j9dcfvz wrote
Actual legislative action? Like this year’s SB1293 or any of the previous iterations that have died in the past? The legislative action is there, but people like you bitching and moaning about it make sure that politicians are voting against those measures. Maybe put your money where your mouth is and learn about (or even support) the legislation you claim we need.
nite_rituals t1_j9dgwn4 wrote
PayneTrainSG t1_j9dhgf3 wrote
My dream would essentially turn Franklin/Monument into an East-West bike highway that runs from Willow Lawn to Main Street Station. Mixture of tunnels under bigger roads, and 2/3 of secondary streets that intersect it with modal filters and the remainder with bike-priority signal and intersection design.
JosefDerArbeiter t1_j9djmr5 wrote
Nice. My dream is for some of the region's rail lines to get consolidated into multi use asphalt paths. Imagine the railroad bridge next to the Powhite Parkway bridge having an asphalt path with guard rails giving dedicated trail access from Southside to Scott's Addition/Northside.
pumicepickle t1_j9dk9g3 wrote
I've had to wait as a pedestrian (with a bike, I was new in town and didn't understand why 200 cyclists were all biking together) and several people shouted out to me to join them. Kids, families, teens, grandparents, college peeps, all having fun and cycling.
I wasn't stupid enough to cut through them and thought it looked like good community fun. I literally can't imagine being bitter and angry about waiting like five minutes.
Jesus Christ you people need to live a little. Angry over waiting and people having safe but inconvenient fun. Truly ridiculous.
coldblackmaple t1_j9dl60b wrote
It’s horrible. I often cut across Franklin to get on the sidewalk on the south side of the street and cross Belvidere on that side. I know that’s not ideal for several reasons but the alternative sucks too.
ubiquitous_delight t1_j9dllp4 wrote
That'll show em lol
Captain_Tiberius t1_j9dm7e3 wrote
That’s the safest maneuver when Belvidere has greens in both directions. When Franklin has a green and the crosswalk is counting down, the logical and legal westbound bike move is to go straight through the intersection. But you 100% have to bike defensively and assume the cars don’t see you because turning cars rarely yield there.
coldblackmaple t1_j9dmb1e wrote
Yup, that’s exactly when I do it.
RulerOfTheRest t1_j9fdfh0 wrote
I have the Rexing V1P, and have been very happy with it. I specifically sought one out that had a front and rear camera so I could at least catch anyone who might rearend me, but so far only catch people "digging for gold" while at stop lights. I also got the power supply that plugs into the fuse box and hid the wires, but that was a pita, and if you're not good with that kind of stuff, you may want to have one installed at Best Buy or some other local car audio shop. What led me to finally get one was when someone decided to make a U turn from the side of an exit ramp into the car I only had for a month, you're not allowed to do that and at least they made it easy for the cop when they admitted that they did that...
RulerOfTheRest t1_j9fdvsv wrote
For things like this, I like to go with the old saying "It's best to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it". While I have caught some folks doing stupid things like running red lights on the front cam, thankfully I have not needed it for evidence in an accident from those idiots running red lights, and hope I never do...
Charlesinrichmond t1_j9fq76m wrote
so if there is no acceleration, at steady speed, then a car exerts no force (true) and no damage (False) on what it hits?
I think F=mv^2/2 is rather more relevant here, with the exponent being exponentially more important.
And it still doesn't matter. 2k squishes just fine. You can't get more dead than dead
TheLombardyKroger t1_j9th5qk wrote
An object travelling at a constant speed and direction may have no acceleration in its own reference frame, true. But it can absolutely accelerate another object in another reference frame.
I don’t know what “F=mv2/2” is but maybe you mean the equation for kinetic energy? KE = 1/2 mv^2
At any rate (ba-dum-tss), getting hit by cars sucks no matter how accurate the mass measurement is. The slower the better.
Charlesinrichmond t1_j9ugl9k wrote
yes. Kinetic energy. And the speed matters is what I was saying. I know of people killed by bicycles
dalhectar t1_j9byfz6 wrote
THis post def needs a shaking fist at sky tag.