what happened with the Westover Hills incident? Does anyone have more info?

last I saw was fight between people who knew each other, on Jahnke I assume, and woman was shot and died.

https://www.nbc12.com/2022/10/14/westover-hills-elementary-lockdown-after-shooting-near-school/

Supposedly it was part of a custody dispute. But that is only rumor at this point.

Damn wasn’t there just a gun buy back?

Thanks, I had missed this whole news event.

It’s always people that know each other. It’s not dangerous out there. People are just at the end of their rope. Crime isn’t increasing.

That’s so sad. An angry coparent was the first thing that came to my mind since it happened on a Friday

Almost like those don't actually reduce crime rates or something.

What’s the difference between “dead” and “killed?”

We're back, baby!

Man if only there was solutions to this... like increasing social services and getting people out of poverty like all the studies show. Nah, lets just alarm people, blame it on the same people, act like its a war zone, and give the cops (who don't prevent anything) more money.

It’s almost like one local program can’t fix an entire culture of guns and loosely regulated (if any) gun industry in this country.

They are one of many tools to help prevent more gun violence. Nothing will solve it until we regulate gun manufacturers. It’s just too easy and cheap to get a gun in America.

Before tHeY bUy gUn iLLeGaLLy people get here: duuhh they do, and how did the gun eventually get bought? Legally.

Ain’t nobody going into gun manufacturers’ factories and stealing these guns - they’re all bought legally at first.

Huh. Interesting observation

Which? Weren't there two separate incidents in Westover hills?

In the context of a shooting I'm not sure there is one. Seems most likely that their graphic design intern wasn't paying much attention when they made that graphic.

Wow, Charles finally realizing that shootings aren’t confined to a few areas

I think we're talking around each other. The city buy back was like slapping a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. There is a lot of well-researched documentation out there demonstrating buy-backs as one of the least effective means of gun control.

Again, as I said, one of many tools to help prevent gun violence.

Real change needs to come from laws changing across the country

It truly is amazing how some people need to be babysitted their entire life just to keep them from shooting whoever makes them angry

Oh shit, there was something on 22nd st? What was it???

When you understand how mental health, the brain, and socialization works, it's not amazing at all.

EDIT: not that I agree with the use of the term "babysitted" to describe social change aimed at improving fairness

Yeah, there was this one

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/men-critically-injured-westover-hills-boulevard-shooting-october-15-2022%3f_amp=true

That’s reductive and takes away their agency. Being poor doesn’t make you pick up a gun and shoot someone.

From my observation.. I've met Powhatan bubba's who spend 50% of their take-home-pay on guns, and they've never harmed anyone... Yet, some of the inmates I worked with at Sussex-2(prison work is very interesting) would stab you to death with a screwdriver if they could. We have an issue with violence, not guns. If you are prone to being violent, it's a lot more efficient & no-energy to kill someone with a firearm than a knife.

No, it's not. Nor did I say being poor means makes you do anything, much less try to kill.

It's not reductive because it's just recognizing decades worth of psychology, sociology, and epigenetics. I wouldn't have invested most of my career in mental health if I thought people were just destined to be however they grew up, because I know people can change and overcome and regain/realize agency. One can do that and still recognize what we know about how forces like poverty, exposure to violence at a young age, trauma, etc. shape someone's brain and behavior.

Those brains don’t deserve to exist

They don’t work

If tons of cocaine can make it into the country, so can foreign firearms. We have a non-secure border. Not to mention you can make firearms at home. Japan has none of the cultural problems you just mentioned and just had an important ex government official murdered by a homemade firearm. Not to mention homemade explosives are even easier to make, coupled with drone technology, yikes.

People get really confused about deterministic vs probabilistic. Being poor does not determine that you will commit crime. Being poor increases the chances you will commit crime. It's really simple.

Not really trying to make any point here but just observing that if 11 people were killed by one person in Richmond last week it would be national news. 11 people killed by 11 different people barely is noted in the local news.

What did the Ukrainian government hand out to its citizens when Russia invaded? Instead of us sending $50billion to Ukraine, we could use that to place multiple armed guards in every school. You know, just like how every politician or celebrity has an armed guard. Gun control is about control.

Oof. It that sort of thinking were the best answer society could come up with on this issue, then probably none of us would deserve to exist.

People who want to murder others? That’s who you want to defend?

You’ve missed the point, I think.

I would like to see these shootings on a map and the demographics of each person involved. It would help to better understand what's really going on and if it would affect me.

Looks like it was gun related violence.

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Why is that such a crazy notion? I mean even our justice system, whose job is justice, has decided those people are worthy of being defended. I don't have to love everyone who tries to kill someone else in order to not agree with a random person basically saying they lose the right to exist.

People deciding which other people deserve to exist has a pretty bad track record in human history. But sure, we have it right this time.

The cops arrest the perpetrators of gun violence. And your logic is that does not prevent anything?

Good lord I’ve never heard someone make such an incoherent argument.

Lol what such strong arguments… good thing I’m not a total retard or id agree with you

We have an issue with violent people having easy access to guns.

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You're not wrong, of course. Phrased another way, having that info would help you to understand your personal risk of getting murdered shot when going about your normal routine.

Or provide adequate preventative policing.

There was discussion of this elsewhere last week: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/y2pvj3/oc_monthly_us_homicides_19992020/

edited to say: i’m not an expert, just posting bc i thought it was an interesting study.

https://news.vcu.edu/article/2022/09/what-best-predicts-violence-in-richmond-neighborhoods-negligent-landlords

It was 22nd between Cary and Main no clue what the story is just saw all the cop cars

I'm just amazed at how people think they can "pull a gun" for every stupid little parking lot dispute or quarrel.

Same here.

I’m also just amazed that I could right now go to bass pro, buy a gun, buy as much ammo as I want, and go straight to a local daycare and wreck unbelievable havoc. All within a span of 1 hour.

And still have enough time to catch jeopardy tonight

Maybe killed on the scene or died later from injuries?

Yeah… because 11 murders is way different from 1 mass murder or 1 serial killer with 11 victims. The former is 11 points of failure that each produce 1 death. The latter is ONE point of failure that results in 11 deaths.

Assuming its similarly difficult to locate a pre-murderer and a pre-mass-murderer, our money is far better spent addressing pre-mass-murderers.

Did everybody hear kilofoxtrot's racial dog whistle? Consider the demographics of Sussex prison.

Also love the "don't blame guns" rhetoric. You an oath keeper, kilo?

Gunfire often causes a panic, and panicky people produce their own injuries and deaths, notably by trampling or accidentally pushing someone off a ledge or into traffic.

Killed is for homicides. Death includes secondary and tertiary effects.

Edit to add example: whenever someone says “gun deaths” the number they’re about to give you includes suicides, accidents, etc., which outnumber murders more than 2:1

Finally, a metric we can excel at!

I think a lot more people get shot than are reported.

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I agree with you, and we also need to address some other root issues. For example trying to focus on two parent households, greater access to birth control, and tools to help kids when they are young.

Well, one you can still rez and the other has to corpse walk back to get their gear.

I never said "don't blame guns", they're just a whole lot more convenient for killing people. There's a reason why it takes 30 minutes to check-in and out of a prison, we need to verify nothing we bring in can be made into a weapon. When I was working on the telecom system in Building 3, an inmate killed a K9 and stabbed a guard with a shank -- so I stand by the claim that guns are not solely the problem. Sorry, I sent in my membership application for Oathkeepers & the Klux Klux Klan another with some Trump-worship stickers.. But, they all rejected my applications for being in an interracial marriage. So, ha... Sorry, not everyone who disagrees with you is a racist, we just disagree.

I think the other one was over by Ashton square which makes it sadly not a surprise at all if so

Actually that one tends to be fairly accurate because they show up at the hospital in the hospital's report

Kind of interesting how rare it is considering that. And how rare it is in Switzerland considering how everybody has to have an assault rifle

Almost makes you think that guns are a red herring and something else is going on

Crime is increasing. All the data says so. The time to get ahead of it is now

There is no red herring.

The reason Swiss have lots of guns is because they HAVE to go into the military and are issued a gun. Oh, would you look at that? Gun training. Something America does not have.

So you are making a gun control argument by bringing up Switzerland.

Crazy how when majority gun owners are trained to use them safely and are properly filtered don’t go around shooting daycares

You're assuming everyone goes to the hospital.

Uh naw dude. Here is Richmond crime stats as of yesterday it’s funny, crime being down doesn’t garner eyeballs or clicks so they stick to each individual crime to keep the fear clicks rolling in.

Stay there in outer space, Chris. Much easier to pull yourself up by your bootstraps in zero gravity.

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America ♥️ guns.

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What happened on N 22nd??

Like that guy that supposedly killed a bunch of black girls in Kansas City? Not sure what the details are or how accurate the news wash about it but… yeah.

When you’ve got very little to sustain yourself it makes you more likely to kill to protect what you have or obtain more.

Gunshots every night in there.

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Their ammunition is also heavily audited by the government and kept in a military facility, not peoples homes. As usual, Charles is talking out of his ass.

Surprise surprise didn’t realize it was Charles

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How is a serial killer a "point of failure"? That's not the correct phrase for describing that.

Do you people even bother Googling this stuff before making up stats and up voting blindly?

Stray bullets when these idiots miss several times are, in fact, quite dangerous. Did you forget about the multiple kids killed by stray bullets in broad daylight over the last couple years? They weren't the target. They got hit anyway.

Murders both locally and statewide are up significantly from 10 years ago. Lower than the 90s, yes, but no you're wrong about violent crime "decreasing". It isn't, sorry. It bottomed out in the late 2000s to early 2010s and has since recently begun increasing again.

State Police 2022 report:

"By the numbers: The state recorded 1,194 violent crimes per 100,000 residents last year — a 2.5% increase over 2020.

The 2021 rate is still 16% lower than a decade ago. The rate of property crimes dropped 2% between 2020 and 2021 and is down 33% over the last decade.

Yes, but: The murder rate has almost doubled over the last 10 years.

The state recorded 6.59 murders per capita in 2021 compared to 3.69 in 2011.

The state counted 570 murders and non-negligent manslaughters last year, up from 550 in 2020. In 2011, the total number of murders sat at 299."

We experienced nearly 3 additional murders per capita in 2021 than in 2011 across Virginia.

yes, exactly my point. It's not the guns that are the issue. The very definition of a red herring

most people with gunshot wounds tend to yes...

so where is 2018 on that? All I see is 21 and 22, both of which are high years, we are talking before and after 2020

yeah. That complex is a mess. Some of them are probably coming from Bell atlantic though...

www.google.com

The issue is we need more laws to regulate guns.

Right.....it's not saying all poor people are violent or all violent people are poor. It's just that resource acquisition and protection is a key component of any violent neighborhood, city, country, etc.

https://i.imgur.com/hsU1TWo.png

scratch two parent households.. that's some evangelical talking points.. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/opinion/two-parent-family.html

> The 2021 rate (of violent crimes) is still 16% lower than a decade ago.

so it has decreased overall. yes, murders are up, that's not good, but having a meltdown over "increases in crime" over small sample windows isn't a logical way to view this. there are also a lot of issues with using a HIGHLY unusual set of years for comparisons. forceable rape went up in 2020 from 2019, then down in 2021 from 2020. is that significant? probably as significant as the murder numbers...

please do also note that cops have shown that they lie about numbers when it suits them. you have to immediately question the police as the source for this because there are no checks on their data, they refuse to release sources or information about how they get to these numbers, you just have to trust them. (believe me, I've FOIAd this kind of info before, they're assholes about it).

this is the data: https://va.beyond2020.com/va_public/View/dispview.aspx?ReportId=2

that tells you fuck all about anything. it's a number in a table, no records, no arrest reports, no conviction rates, nothing to give it meaning.

You are absolutely incorrect. First of all look at Cross's paper, a lot of what they puts ahead of two-parent households is already mentioned previously, ie social services, so you need to read my comment after the original. Also, not sure if you even read her paper but she absolutely did not say two-parent households were bad.

"Using new Census data and the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, this brief finds that black and white children from intact homes are significantly more likely to be flourishing economically, educationally, and socially on the three outcomes examined here: child poverty, education, and incarceration.

At the same time, consistent with Cross’ research, we do find that the association between family structure and one major education outcome, college graduation, is weaker for black children than white children. Nevertheless, young black adults are significantly more likely to graduate from college if they grew up in an intact family.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/less-poverty-less-prison-more-college-what-two-parents-mean-for-black-and-white-children

Also, never been to church so I have no idea about evangelical talking points.

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The reason there are less gun deaths in Switzerland has less to do with gun control laws and more to do with the attitude that people in Switzerland have towards guns. Laws do not work if people are unwilling to follow them. People in Switzerland view gun ownership as a privilege and not a right like in America. It is a necessary evil to protect the nation from foreign invaders. The Swiss do not have a gun culture. They do not fetishize firearms the way people do in the US. Also Switzerland does not have concentrated poverty the way the US does. This concentrated poverty is what leads to most of these gun homicides. Gun control laws can help the problem but they are a bandaid solution at best. The root of the problem is cultural.

You make some good points there about the difference in barriers to gun violence, but I think you miss something. Overall US culture can help transform those "bubbas" into inmates, whether due to workplace violence, domestic violence, bar fights that ramp up, or drug deals. Domestic terror through mass shootings is sad but still rare compared to all that. No, not every guy winds up popping off or getting caught and convicted. The easier access helps sow more chaos.

Very true. I see Hollywood, and the Gun Culture as major drivers of violence. Hollywood has "normalized" violence acts, made it cool, and owning a gun as part of getting your "man card". I work on a Rescue Squad & currently working on getting my Paramedic license, between that & working in the prison system, it's amazing the level of suffering some people will inflict on their neighbor or spouse. I just shake my head some days. We roll up Code-3 to find someone beaten within inches of their life, and there's no gun involved. That's really the difference between a gun & no gun. A girlfriend shot multiple times & dead, versus unspeakable pain & lifelong injuries. How in the f*ck did we get to the point where this was a social norm? I get mad a people, mad as hell some days. I simply walk way from it. Been doing that for 46 years, it's not that difficult.

Yes take the data produced by the police with a grain of salt. Most sexual assaults are not reported. Most reported sexual assaults are not investigated or “solved” by police. It’s something like 20% clearance rate. I think Richmond’s doing pretty good if the crime rate is steady/decreasing AND the police are down 160 positions.