Hiltson87 t1_iy45082 wrote on November 28, 2022 at 4:46 PM

Reply to comment by Charlesinrichmond in Kitchen renovation contractor by ZephyrInfernum

Yeah I'm not really recommending either, but both carry the same cabinet lines as the bigger local cabinet companies. Only difference is its cheaper and easier to hold the big box stores accountable and a lot of times it's going to be contracted out to the same shitty installers.

Charlesinrichmond t1_iy49s6b wrote on November 28, 2022 at 5:18 PM

I would disagree with much of that. I don't know anyone good who uses those lines, though I'm sure someone does. But more importantly there are lots of good installers out there and that really matters. Lowes and Home Depot have none of them - that's where people with no business go to get sold leads. And anyone with no business now sucks

Hiltson87 t1_iy4b0z2 wrote on November 28, 2022 at 5:26 PM

Carpenter for 15 years and ops manager for a cabinet company for the last 6 where I oversaw anywhere from 1000-1500 installs a year. Lowes and HD both sell the exact same name brand lines as every big local cabinet company in the area with the only difference being the local places get a couple extra finish options and door styles.

Never said there aren't good installers. I'm saying the local cabinet companies don't use any of the good ones. To get a decent install you'd have to find a decent designer, installer, and play GC yourself because you're not going to get that as a package for a single remodel.

Charlesinrichmond t1_iy6am6h wrote on November 29, 2022 at 1:42 AM

I've been a GC for 25 years or so fwiw... and know of lots and lots of local guys, high end, and other non Kraftmaid.