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Asterion7 t1_iz9sio3 wrote

Reply to comment by CrassostreaVirginica in Casino tops Richmond wish list [to VA General Assembly], but affordable housing lies at the heart by CrassostreaVirginica

Jesus Christ why can the casino project not die already. How deep are these lobbyists pockets? The fact that they are ignoring the vote they already had makes me double down on opposing it.

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ThatChildNextDoor t1_iz9unci wrote

It was only defeated by like 2400 votes, and people around me are very upset about it being defeated.

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lunar_unit t1_iz9vj9r wrote

Trump was pretty sad about being defeated too. But that's how Democracy works. Not everyone is going to be happy, but if 51% of the neighbors vote a certain way, that's how it's gotta stay, unless we plan on fighting each and every election until we're happy with the results.

If enough people had wanted the casino, then enough people would have voted for the referendum, but we didn't, and we didn't. 🤷‍♂️

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ThatChildNextDoor t1_iz9weic wrote

Also, happy cake day!

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lunar_unit t1_iz9xf64 wrote

Whoa. Thanks! Eight years burned away arguing with you beautiful people! I've learned a lot from this subreddit.

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ThatChildNextDoor t1_iz9wd0n wrote

Yeah, but you explain that to those people, while people across the river got plenty of entertainment venues and other investment properties.

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Tylerjb4 t1_izdimdt wrote

Off topic but I would legitimately rather be ruled over by a monarchy that I disagreed with as opposed to being a political minority in a democracy. The only saving grace is the constitution with the bill of rights.

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lunar_unit t1_izesk5e wrote

That's not a very well thought out statement.

You're a minority every time the other party that you don't support wins enough Congress seats and has a sitting president. That's how our system has worked for over 200 years, and while it's far from perfect, it's worked fairly well over time.

You having never lived under a true monarchy, means you can't actually compare what that means, but if you take a look at monarchies like Saudi Arabia or Brunei or historical European monarchies, if you disagree politically, they can disappear you or take all your assets without any lawful due process protections at all.

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Tylerjb4 t1_izezftl wrote

So the US has never disappeared someone without due process?

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lunar_unit t1_izf11tx wrote

Of course they have, but that doesn't mean a monarchy is better. Lol. Go read some history, then get back to me.

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Tylerjb4 t1_izf5u3m wrote

Hitler rose to power democratically.

Pol pot was elected.

American democrats fought to keep black people enslaved, and then with as few rights as possible.

An elected American democrat president put Japanese in internment camps.

An elected American democrat president marched Indians from their lands to Oklahoma.

Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.

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lunar_unit t1_izf9ml7 wrote

Dude, what's your point? Humans fucking suck everywhere, in every time in history. And you still have more rights in an American democracy than in a monarchy. Go ask Jamal Kashoggi how he feels after Mohamed bin Salman, Crown Prince of Saudi ordered his killing and dismemberment (on foreign soil, no less) and got away with it even though everyone knows he did it.

If you're trying to suggest that life would be better if we had Trump as King, (I see you don't mention any Republican political shenanigans in your examples) then you drank too much Kool aid, because he doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself.

Back to your original statement, if you've lived your entire life in the US, you've lived under both Democrats and Republicans. Can you say your life is better under one, compared to the other? And being that you have lived under that kind of situation, what are you still doing here?

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Tylerjb4 t1_izfedur wrote

You’re comparing possibly the best democracy against one of the worst monarchies. In a more comparable matchup, I would much rather live in modern Saudi Arabia than third reich Germany.

I would definitely take king trump because he can be held solely responsible. If he does something terrible, we yeet and replace him. At least a monarchy has long term generational investment in the success of their country. Our government is too busy trying to pass laws just to spite the other half.

Fuck the republicans, too. But the 3 biggest American fuck ups I could think of were Democrat orchestrated. You got anything the republicans did worse than those 3?

Personally, I’m more of a libertarian, minarchist, ancap. All governments suck ass. Their sole function should be common defense, enforcing contracts, and protecting natural rights.

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lunar_unit t1_izfkz5j wrote

And royalty has been the force behind millennia of greed, corruption, colonialism, invasions, pogroms, ethnic cleansings, slavery, torture, land theft, unfair taxation, murderous crushers of dissent, etc etc, all over the globe.

>All governments suck ass. Their sole function should be common defense, enforcing contracts, and protecting natural rights.

Maybe we can agree there, but in a human world, there's always going to be corruption, and the most corruptible are most drawn to power, regardless of their political affiliation. We're fucked!

Anyway, have a good weekend.

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GrandmaPoses t1_iza3hbn wrote

It was what by 2400 votes? Defeated? Oh then I guess that's the decision. It's not a fucking jury trial.

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PayneTrainSG t1_iz9uvsp wrote

Conversely, I didn't vote on it and was largely ambivalent, but this open repudiation of a public referendum is maddening.

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systematical t1_izdbyp0 wrote

Likewise, but the fact they keep trying instead of taking no for an answer is pushing me to vote no this time.

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bigdaddyman6969 t1_iza2hs8 wrote

So what ? If it only passed by 2400 votes do you think they would allow a revote? The people have spoken.

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ThatSadOptimist t1_izcp2kl wrote

Also, it was out of 80,000ish votes. In the scheme of things, a couple thousand votes is not a questionable margin.

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Asterion7 t1_iz9vp8x wrote

Elections have consequences....you can't just keep calling a vote until you get the results you want. Give it 5-10 years at least.

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Fizzster t1_izbexip wrote

I voted yes initially, but now I’m going to vote no because they’re not respecting the will of the voters.

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Asterion7 t1_izah3im wrote

Let Petersburg have it. Casinos are long term losers everywhere they go.

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Asterion7 t1_izb0cov wrote

I don't think we need casinos in Virginia period. But I certainly don't want it in Richmond. Let the people in Petersburg decide what they want.

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Asterion7 t1_izb442l wrote

Lol. How is it an argument that it will be bad in Petersburg so it might as well be bad here and opinion?

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Asterion7 t1_izb970r wrote

Do your own research. All the studies were linked here the first time around. Casinos and sports stadiums are almost always long term net negatives for municipalities. I don't think it's changed in the last two years.

As for "political boundaries" last time I checked Petersburg was a decent drive down an interstate. I think we will be mostly insulated. Again I don't think Petersburg should go for it either. But I don't live there or vote there.

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Gwala_BKK t1_izb2q1f wrote

Not true though is it? Casinos are a blatantly immoral and predatory business and accepting that into your culture has snowballing effects. Petersburg shouldn't have one either but I'd rather it be outside of the city than have it directly festering in the heart of what is currently a very positive movement

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Gwala_BKK t1_izbwy71 wrote

It most certainly hasn't been accepted into the culture of downtown Richmond. Sure low class people outside of the city like it but that's different.

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littlehelppls t1_izc68p5 wrote

Let's not take it to class discrimination. But it is predatory on people of specific socioeconomic statuses.

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littlehelppls t1_izc6cbm wrote

Let's not take it to class discrimination. But it is predatory on people of specific socioeconomic statuses.

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Gwala_BKK t1_izcdzjk wrote

You're right, I shouldn't have said that.

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Vapid_Ingenue t1_izce8eb wrote

Just for clarity, what exactly do you mean when you say "low class people?"

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gravy_boot t1_izb52rt wrote

Oh so you’re saying the casino’s radius of negative effects would include the entire city if it was located in precinct 806.

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gravy_boot t1_izb8yfs wrote

> But moving it a few minutes further down the road outside of an invisible border will prevent it from affecting the city at all.”

Literally no one here has said that- this is just you inventing something that doesn’t exist so you can wag your finger at it.

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gravy_boot t1_izbcsmr wrote

Ah ok, one comment which wasn’t referring to any part of Petersburg that’s “15 minutes” south of Richmond. But I guess you adeptly conclude that we all agree it’s fine.

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gravy_boot t1_izbf2ra wrote

Petersburg the city, which is what that person was talking about, is a 30 min drive. Not 15, which is what you are imagining that we all believe is fine.

> any logical reading of the anti-casino folks’ arguments in context makes it clear the vast majority believe that.

This is instructive about how your broken logic works. Because you saw a handful of comments by noisy redditors you can somehow deduce what the “vast majority” believe.

I guess that’s similar to how you deduced what 85% of people want based on the votes of 15%.

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littlehelppls t1_izc5z20 wrote

Casinos are garbage, keeping garbage out of our city is the only smart move here

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tornadogenesis t1_izav6sg wrote

As someone who lives in Richmond i cannot vote for for people in Petersburg. If they want it they can vote yes. I can however vote and say, "No thank you, not in our city. Take your filthy money elsewhere."

That money up front sounds appealing but there is a much greater cost in the long run. The casino is not a boon, it is a money drain that funnels our cash into the pockets of the rich and the politicians.

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gravy_boot t1_izanwwl wrote

> where people near it all want it.

This is wrong, like 1/10 adults in that area voted yes.

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gravy_boot t1_izaz8m6 wrote

You said everyone in the area wants it, which is the lie. What is the population of that precinct, and district? The turnout was like 13%.

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gravy_boot t1_izb02wu wrote

No I did the research and have the numbers, but you’re the one making bogus claims so you do the fucking work now.

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