PatienceHero t1_iuazfwx wrote
I'm only partway through the article, but I already suspect that this is for the same reason that Wal-Mart and other companies' Fair labor practices don't impact how much of their product comes from sweatshops: Most times companies that make those pledges will contract a factory that they've 'vetted', and that factory will then subcontract one that doesn't conform to those standards.
The company usually knows this is going on too, but they can claim ignorance, since the first factory they hired did meet those standards.
wiffleplop t1_iuazsed wrote
I came here to mention plausible deniability.
[deleted] t1_iuchr4d wrote
My mom used to work for George, the clothing brand Asda owns in the UK (Asda = Walmart)
She discovered tonnes of this whenever she went overseas and raised it. Things changed. Problem was? The second she wasn't like a hawk on these suppliers? They'd be back to their old games and sweatshops.
There's only so many suppliers you can build relationships with about this madness.
Madholm t1_iuc031x wrote
While there are loads of scams regarding pledges to xyz goal, I think it’s better that we try to root out the bad faith actors than to paint them all as ineffective.
PatienceHero t1_iuc11a7 wrote
Oh, indubitably. I never meant to imply otherwise. It's just that as a society we currently seem to be interested in doing either.
I'm sure some of the companies making deforestation-free pledges may very well be making good on those pledges, but I unfortunately feel the number of companies exploiting plausible deniability may be much higher. Part of this is very much due to the government needing to step up and hold bad actors accountable.
gamingthrowawway2021 t1_iuc231t wrote
Governments only care about trying to farm money and political power for their nations and immediate neighbors. Often the environment is the last concern, save for sadly the tiny island nations who have to face its effects first.
Hand-Picked-Anus t1_iub2qw4 wrote
On the head. These companies have destroyed our planet already, why stop now? Greedy fucks.
gamingthrowawway2021 t1_iuc1xq6 wrote
We will have to get used to living in a hostile desert like Venus, and rulers will have to adapt to the chaos they've inherited from their elders.
reddituser567853 t1_iuc2xvc wrote
Why do you think billionaires are buying all the farmland. They know this and are preparing
gamingthrowawway2021 t1_iuc339u wrote
We will have to adapt and ensure that we will still inconvenience them.
quyllur t1_iucihld wrote
Context is missing here and I believe we need to go deeper. Ultimately it is law enforcement of forest and land tenure policies. If the local actors who are supposed to enforce these policies don't do it due to lack of resources or get incentives under the table to turn a blind eye, is this the responsibility of the companies? If it is, are we then saying that companies - the private sector - should be responsible for law enforcement? Maybe the answer is yes. Or maybe the answer should be that when faced with this situation companies should just shut close all business in that region?
worotan t1_iucrdtr wrote
The answer is between the two extremes you offer as a way of making it seem impossible.
And it demonstrates why we need people who care about working, not people who are just trying to find any way to strip costs from industries they’ve seen people like to consume and so have bought the rights to in order to skim money easily.
Work to live well, not to profit easily.
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