Comments
[deleted] t1_iqzznic wrote
[deleted]
fish_whisperer t1_ir01ofh wrote
Everyone take a deep breath. Articles like this are meant to notify the scientific community that surveillance and research needs to be directed towards these viruses, which will hopefully lead to effective future treatments. It isn’t meant to scare the general public.
[deleted] t1_ir02iaa wrote
[deleted]
Jaded_Prompt_15 t1_ir03m8u wrote
There's always a bunch of viruses that may spillover...
That's why we study them before they do.
The problem is idiots claimed because we were trying to study one before it crossed over, that it somehow caused it to cross over.
It's the modern equivalent of burning a woman for being a witch be ause she was able to tell a drought was coming.
People tend to ignore warnings and then blame the person who warned them
[deleted] t1_ir03nxv wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir04lru wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir069pz wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir06xri wrote
[removed]
giuliomagnifico OP t1_ir073mz wrote
> It isn’t meant to scare the general public.
And mice, on which the researchers will test new vaccines and drugs.
[deleted] t1_ir099d5 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir09esd wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0au7s wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0cfq9 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0egvy wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0esvc wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0fs1v wrote
[removed]
fish_whisperer t1_ir0g3m2 wrote
Honestly? Close to zero. That’s not at all how academic research works. People don’t go to school for decades to become experts in a field and capable of doing this kind of research just to follow social media trends.
[deleted] t1_ir0g5v1 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0gqul wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0h479 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0hisu wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0hnqh wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0isyd wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0j4tu wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0j8s4 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0jawl wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0jb0t wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0k2wn wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0ltf0 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0lw20 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0m6id wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0ot0i wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0pimi wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0pysl wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0scyd wrote
[removed]
Leemour t1_ir0u36i wrote
I remember watching an interview with a virologist and he said that they often go to wild forests, jungles and other uninhabited areas where they are most likely to find new viral mutations. They collect, catalog and study these viruses, so if they spill over to human populations the search for a vaccine/cure would be fast.
IIRC Corona viruses were cataloged decades ago, before COVID, they just had to change some things for higher efficacy and the mRNA technology just made vaccines cheaper to manufacture and we were able to dispense a lot very quickly.
[deleted] t1_ir0wxlh wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0zf1m wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir0zqxo wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir10usb wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir119jv wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir11a78 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir11ejo wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir11izu wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir11j1y wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir11zah wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir129gm wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir12niu wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir134g3 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1427w wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir15512 wrote
[removed]
ALLoftheFancyPants t1_ir15emv wrote
There’s so many zoonotic diseases that could spillover all the time and in increasing likelihood with habitat loss driving increased interaction between animals and humans. That’s like the OG source for the majority of infectious diseases, throughout history. Its definitely scary and should be taken seriously in making policy choices (ie preserve habitats, monitor populations most at risk, etc) but panic helps no one.
[deleted] t1_ir15phi wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir15wzd wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir16smy wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir16szp wrote
[removed]
estoka t1_ir16uzk wrote
So the mantra that we've been hearing for the last decade of publish or perish, no longer seems to be applicable? Research is not dictated by popular interests and a need to funding? Interesting.
[deleted] t1_ir16z68 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir176np wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir17hls wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir18zqi wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir192gl wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir19ayc wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir19jbx wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir19n2y wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1acsj wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1b5ed wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1c5mu wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1et2q wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1fega wrote
[removed]
AppealDouble t1_ir1hzh2 wrote
I think you’ll find that articles like these are simply more likely to make headlines now that the world has experienced 2 international human epidemics in 2 years and the fact that this has been a terrible year for avian flu.
MukdenMan t1_ir1i4f7 wrote
Researchers don’t do that. People who write articles pick up on actual research and then spin it for an article (although obviously there are good articles written for the general public too).
estoka t1_ir1iskc wrote
Really? I didn't think it was a stretch after everything this woman has found:
Or this individual :
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/on-the-trail-of-dodgy-academic-research/100788052
Or most of psychology:
Edit: This is one of my current favorites:
MukdenMan t1_ir1jmv0 wrote
You didn’t ask if there is misconduct in research (obviously there is). You asked if people are pumping out papers “like this” (implying the paper in the link above is clickbait) because it is good for publicity. The publicity comes from people who write articles for popular media.
In this case, this is just being publicized by a university because it is good for their reputation. CU is not engaged in “clickbait.”
“The authors stress that another pandemic is not imminent, and the public need not be alarmed.” At best you could say that the headline could cause people to draw the wrong conclusions, but the article and the paper it is discussing aren’t an issue.
HambdenRose t1_ir1k9av wrote
They are publishing but not in the most publicly prominent places. They are publishing in journals that other scientists with similar interests will be reviewing and reading. Most journal articles don't catch the attention of the public.
[deleted] t1_ir1l1h0 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir1lhms wrote
[removed]
rush-jet t1_ir1lyg1 wrote
When is the world going to grow tf up and realize that humans should be treated the same way other animals are treated when being transported internationally.
Mandated quarantine time. Health inspections / thorough testing, the works.
A world where a virus can go unchecked from africa to nyc in a day is fucked.
bluesun_geo t1_ir1n0k7 wrote
Hopefully Ebola-like includes wiping out the infected so fast it can’t really get to a pandemic level.
estoka t1_ir1v7as wrote
What I'm saying, by referencing academic misconduct, is that people are willing to go to extreme lengths in order to remain relevant and employed. Why is it such a stretch of the imagination that research budgets would be motivated by public interest? Especially if said research is based on government funding. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
hesperidium-rex t1_ir1yhfx wrote
"Publish" means in scientific journals, not on websites. And the mechanisms for funding are incredibly complicated. Research needs to be funded, but what kinds of research is prioritized often depends on the priorities of whoever is funding it - which is rarely the general public. On top of that, many funds are earmarked specifically for certain kinds of research, any many projects are long-lasting endeavours whose funding carries over years or decades.
So putting out an article that makes the public panic is far from sufficient to get a research grant. To do that, you have to convince the funding agency that you have a project that addresses a specific need of theirs, and you're capable of pulling it off.
BabyNapsDaddyGames t1_ir202g6 wrote
You know that wouldn't go over well with the general populace Look at how so many lost their minds during COVID and sheer amount of toxic mis/disinformation that led to so many needless deaths.
[deleted] t1_ir291zy wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir2f3ai wrote
[removed]
Brut-i-cus t1_ir2hqa2 wrote
Well blood is red which is the old axis condenser idiot favorite so no vaccine then
Any chance getting it will cause you to turn blue? because that would definitely make them want the vaccine
[deleted] t1_ir2j37c wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir2ndg7 wrote
[removed]
East_Athlete5877 t1_ir2ohhv wrote
It's as old as Greek tragedies.
ALLoftheFancyPants t1_ir2omht wrote
I’m not sure how or why you jumped from “increased interaction” to bestiality. Look at Lyme disease, it’s increasing in frequency due to increased habitat (aka deforestation) for ticks in addition more people living in or right near that same habitat. There’s no sex, just existing in the same space, for the overwhelming majority of zoonotic diseases.
[deleted] t1_ir2orwb wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir2ou27 wrote
[removed]
TrebleTone9 t1_ir2pwe5 wrote
Poor Cassandra.
East_Athlete5877 t1_ir2qfud wrote
And Tiresius.
[deleted] t1_ir2qjpg wrote
[removed]
Angry_Millenial26 t1_ir2qxqo wrote
No one is having sex with monkeys… HIV came from people eating monkeys that had the disease
[deleted] t1_ir2qyhb wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir2s842 wrote
[removed]
Goatmanish t1_ir2u44z wrote
You're skipping a step there. It likely came from someone gathering bushmeat (apes in this case) who was bitten or cut while hunting or butchering the infected ape. It's not from eating them.
Goatmanish t1_ir2uhze wrote
Human infecting coronaviruses have been known since the 60s, the thing is they mostly cause the common cold (along with literally hundreds of other viruses) so they weren't a cause for concern until SARS.
[deleted] t1_ir2v5w7 wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir2vtkh wrote
[removed]
12kdaysinthefire t1_ir2z2ki wrote
Poised how? I hate when articles are worded to sound dreadfully exciting while offering a vague warning about a less than likely scenario.
[deleted] t1_ir31s36 wrote
[removed]
TheGreat_War_Machine t1_ir3nhyg wrote
>That’s like the OG source for the majority of infectious diseases, throughout history.
Most of the major plagues in history came from livestock.
[deleted] t1_ir3pxcv wrote
PolyDipsoManiac t1_ir3sk4b wrote
Frankly it should scare the general public. Another one even more poised for spillover into mammalian transmission is highly pathogenic avian influenza.
[deleted] t1_ir3vc0f wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir3x9cx wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_ir41r0z wrote
[deleted]
Vivid_Peak16 t1_ir4582b wrote
I'm not sure how that would work given how reliant the world is on international trade in food and energy
[deleted] t1_ir45cyv wrote
[removed]
rush-jet t1_ir465dz wrote
It would work the same way it currently does for animals. Quarantines, vaccines, health checks, everything. For example, Google "taking dog overseas". Plenty of countries already employ these protocols for dogs, these same protocols could be used as a basis for a human.
[deleted] t1_ir46hhz wrote
[deleted]
Vivid_Peak16 t1_ir46wtj wrote
There could be an issue with scaling that. For example, 1.5 tons of food are sent via international shipping lanes per person, per year. Quarantine on every cargo ship would be problematic to say the least.
Sword_Thain t1_ir4h0tb wrote
Wait till you learn about deer prion disease and its possiblity of spillover to humans because, in Florida, there are colonies of monkeys in the wild.
No real treatment other than digging up soil and cooking it at 1000 degrees for servers hours.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4hh6p wrote
Which is an animal-human disease jump.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4hvo7 wrote
Coranaviruses is not a new grouup of viruses, there were many other cornaviruses and some even had breakouts (though nothing on that scale). Most of them have evolved to low-to-none symptoms which is why we expected this virus to do the same.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4hxyy wrote
And SARS burned out so fast noone actually developed countermeasures. Even Canada that was more effected and had some medical stocpiles done by law have stopped that after 5 years and therefore wasnt prepared for SARS2.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4hzz0 wrote
If the vector is the same all you have to do not to get infected is not follow outdated funeral practices where you kiss the wounds of the dead relative.
[deleted] t1_ir4i3va wrote
[removed]
Strazdas1 t1_ir4i5ji wrote
>ame way other animals are treated when being transported internationally
In luggage compartments?
Strazdas1 t1_ir4i8wj wrote
Frankly i am more appaled by the terrible job of WHO and CDC that did everything they could not to stop the spread of the disease until it was too late. WHO even refused to declare pandemic when it clearly fit its definition and only begrudgingly did this after countries started declaring it locally.
COVID should have not left eastern asia. Yet when Japanese somehow decided to release known infected people to go whereever they want (diamond princess ship case) CDC decided that no isolation is needed after they were flown back to US.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4icqo wrote
World is not reliant of international trade in human bodies on planes.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4if1f wrote
They already do that for food and livestock though. In fact food is even irradiated to kill bacteria when shipped.
Strazdas1 t1_ir4ih44 wrote
and then cooking the instruments you used to dig the ground up with. and then cooking the human that handled the instruments. because the prions simply wont come off.
fish_whisperer t1_ir4rmni wrote
The researchers published their paper in an academic journal, which is generally only read by other researchers, and is likely so complicated that the average citizen wouldn’t understand it even if they did read it. The linked article is a press release written up by the university—maybe their PR, Communications, or Research department. It’s designed to generate interest in the university.
rush-jet t1_ir62jca wrote
Yeah bro, in luggage compartments. That's exactly what i was referring to.
Strazdas1 t1_ir8xy4n wrote
Good to know were on the same wavelength then :)
AutoModerator t1_iqzy9co wrote
Welcome to r/science! This is a heavily moderated subreddit in order to keep the discussion on science. However, we recognize that many people want to discuss how they feel the research relates to their own personal lives, so to give people a space to do that, personal anecdotes are now allowed as responses to this comment. Any anecdotal comments elsewhere in the discussion will continue to be removed and our normal comment rules still apply to other comments.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.