Submitted by raulbloodwurth t3_y2hh1n in science
Comments
raulbloodwurth OP t1_is2x49j wrote
Link to original paper in Science.
title: Inefficient and unlit natural gas flares both emit large quantities of methane
Anastariana t1_is31sce wrote
Alternative, and more honest, headline:
Oil and Gas firms lie about their emissions and leakage rates.
catnapspirit t1_is33bao wrote
You only have to live near one for a little while to figure that one out. It ain't hard..
raulbloodwurth OP t1_is34qy0 wrote
Alternative alternative headline: Make sure those gas flares iz lit.
writerightnow18 t1_is38mws wrote
Interpretation: We’re more fucked than we thought.
[deleted] t1_is38sq0 wrote
[removed]
DRAT73 t1_is3hrr5 wrote
What a shock isn’t it?
[deleted] t1_is3jygn wrote
[removed]
routerg0d t1_is3vwz9 wrote
We would of known that over a decade ago but the satellite that would detect it blew up on launch. Coincidence?
GadgetGo t1_is40hdy wrote
That’s probably various alkenes and btex you’re smelling :(
KingGidorah t1_is478jt wrote
They’re not higher than I thought…
AbbyTMinstrel t1_is481uk wrote
With the $ oil companies spend trying to convince us they’re “green” they could fix this.
matt_the_hat t1_is49oc3 wrote
One of the reasons this is important is that Methane is more than 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere.
hootblah1419 t1_is4a5yk wrote
I can assure you, the amount emitted and not reported by gas utilities is also criminally fraudulent. After having experience working with gas utilities, leakage rates are watered down so much through so many different methods. It's like a large corporations accounting firms - imaginative, thorough, and pushes the line into illegality. But to prove it or even know it's happening to look into it in the first place is...
KofCrypto0720 t1_is4ee8s wrote
How much worse is methane than co2?
Methane has more than 80 times the warming power of carbon dioxide over the first 20 years after it reaches the atmosphere. Even though CO2 has a longer-lasting effect, methane sets the pace for warming in the near term.
Doctor_Fritz t1_is4l279 wrote
This has been the underlying headline for years. I believ I'll see the desastrous effects of this before I die, and not the year 2100 like many climate scientists claimed in the 90's
Cindyscameltoe t1_is4quiy wrote
Yeah, mine bitcoin onsite to monetize the excess methane and reduce emissions by turning the methane to co2.
Dont see alot of good in bitcoin, but this use case seems like a no brainer.
L7Death t1_is4vmrq wrote
Methane is measured in parts per billion though. While CO2 is measured in parts per million. Orders of magnitude and all that.... Methane simply doesn't accumulate like CO2, since methane becomes CO2 and water by hydroxyl reactions in the atmosphere within a decade.
Baud_Olofsson t1_is4vtw9 wrote
No, it is pretty hard to detect traces of an odorless, colorless gas.
Not_a_N_Korean_Spy t1_is4ymg0 wrote
It is true that the NASA launch of the 2009 satellite failed and with these things it is easy to suspect sabotage (fossil fuel companies have immense power). But there are plenty other greenhouse gases observing satellites (like the Japanese GOSAT from 2009, full list here).
flint_fireforge t1_is506hd wrote
Shouldn't there be excise taxes on this type of mass pollution?
Apprehensive-Worry44 t1_is50u92 wrote
They burn the planet, they earn the money, they rule politics..... When is it going to end.... When will we end this?
IPCC projections are getting darker every day, at this rate they are going to extract every last drop of fossil fuels just for some profits. Rebellion for extinction.... Anybody?
reb0014 t1_is55ejh wrote
We always have been. Especially since we’re trusting those with incentive to lie, to not lie. It’s not like there’s functional oversight…
TropFemme t1_is58lpl wrote
People absolutely do this.
EVEOpalDragon t1_is5aicv wrote
You mean it wasn’t the cows! Shocker. Industry really has us all gaslit while they burn the planet around us. Next step is to get us all to kill one another .
SerialStateLineXer t1_is5awr3 wrote
Specifically, the half-life of atmospheric methane is about nine years.
raulbloodwurth OP t1_is5hqvu wrote
The global warming potential (GWP) of CH4 is 84-times higher than CO2 over 20 years and 28-times higher over 100 years.
Astropin t1_is5o80q wrote
Don't see a lot of good in Bitcoin?
YessikZiiiq t1_is6abub wrote
Companies have hidden real emission values or gone through minimal efforts to check their accuracy? Shocker.
SexyOldHobo t1_is6b7x1 wrote
I think we should bioengineer some kind of bacteria or maybe even self replicating robots that are capable of destroying oil and make it impossible to refine. Something that would just take one person slipping it in the well.
People support the oil lords with religious fervor, whether it’s the Saudi kings (decedents of Muhammad) or the US Supreme Court (Evangelicals), so I don’t think seizing the supplies through direct conflict is feasible, as conservatives across the world would view it as a holy war challenging Gods graces
Tearakan t1_is6kdfy wrote
Yep. The mega storms we are seeing more frequently now are a direct result of climate change.
It'll probably end up causing large scale famines in 5 years.
Aardark235 t1_is6wl2g wrote
Good luck getting Americans to agree to a higher gas tax. They are screaming bloody murder with a 3% reduction from OPEC.
People have the doublethink that a) the world is coming to an end due to Climate Change and 2) heck no, not going to pay an extra $0.25/L for gas.
[deleted] t1_is75uk5 wrote
[removed]
LakeSun t1_is76197 wrote
Global Drought = Global Famine.
US drought is even at the Mississippi river, and it's affecting wheat/corn/food transportation, and prices, Today!
[deleted] t1_is763uv wrote
[removed]
LakeSun t1_is76az3 wrote
The damage oil does is on the ratio of 1 Profit Unit / 100 Damage Units.
But, they love that profit, screw their family, their kids, their nation and our world.
Tearakan t1_is76eln wrote
Yep. And it'll only get worse.
LakeSun t1_is76kuv wrote
It's a no brainer all right.
No one with a brain would do this.
[deleted] t1_is76qn9 wrote
[removed]
TiredIrons t1_is7i9kk wrote
All of their incentives are to underreport, misrepresent, and outright lie - of course that's what they do.
SvedishFish t1_is7qmod wrote
We are already seeing large scale droughts. So far our farming and irrigation technology has been able to keep pace but we are really pushing into hard limits here. Business interests are unwilling to make even minor cuts, accelerating is to the point where disaster is inevitable.
flint_fireforge t1_is83z22 wrote
You misinterpreted me. Tax the companies on the emissions so that they stop/minimize emissions. Better than regulations.
Aardark235 t1_is8854d wrote
Higher crude oil prices does exactly this. The governments in oil exporting countries get more revenues and the world has less greenhouse emissions.
Agreed, much better than regulations.
Splenda t1_isodzji wrote
Methane is far more than 25 times as potent as CO2 as a greenhouse gas. It's all relative to the time that methane exists before oxidizing to CO2. The 25x figure is measured over a century but methane only lasts for about 9 years, during which its greenhouse warming effect is around 140x CO2.
There is much industry pressure to stretch the time window by which methane's greenhouse warming potential is measured, because the longer the period the less harmful methane looks.
Splenda t1_isoepcu wrote
5 years? No. 30-60 years is more likely. This is far faster than former IPCC forecasts.
Splenda t1_isofb13 wrote
Methane lasts for 9 years before becoming CO2, so why isn't its effect measured on a 9-year span rather than 20 or 100 years?
Hint: the world's most powerful industry doesn't want anyone saying methane is actually 140x worse than CO2.
Splenda t1_isog4q6 wrote
True, but wells do often stink.
Tearakan t1_isonnt5 wrote
We had serious harvest and planting issues across the globe this year......
Splenda t1_isoqg6e wrote
And those will continue. However, there is no evidence that "large scale famine" is in the cards within 5 years. Saying there is merely discredits science.
[deleted] t1_isoskpr wrote
[deleted]
Tearakan t1_isp97w1 wrote
If we have these disruptions every year that will pile up. It will cause mass famine when most of the world's bread basket regions can't produce food at the scale they normally do.
It is already causing food issues in poorer nations this year.
And we've seen a ton of new issues pop up that almost always have the "faster than expected" line in them.
Splenda t1_isp9jin wrote
Yes, but what evidence is there that this will lead to mass famine in five years?
KofCrypto0720 t1_isrf5k6 wrote
Yeah, the cattle industry for sure.
AutoModerator t1_is2x0wo wrote
Welcome to r/science! This is a heavily moderated subreddit in order to keep the discussion on science. However, we recognize that many people want to discuss how they feel the research relates to their own personal lives, so to give people a space to do that, personal anecdotes are now allowed as responses to this comment. Any anecdotal comments elsewhere in the discussion will continue to be removed and our normal comment rules still apply to other comments.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.