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speculatrix t1_j076jql wrote
BBC wrote earlier about a huge rise https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-60197150
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danielfletcher t1_j084zgm wrote
That's it? I'm only 41 but since childhood have personally known well over a dozen people to commit suicide, but only one person dead from using drugs and so far none from natural causes. I really would have thought that experiencing suicidality would be over 10% when you factor in those who don't go through with it successfully.
Edit: Nevermind, I missed at the beginning of the article that it is feeling BOTH pain and suicidality. Not one or the other.
Alive-Panic-1215 t1_j08ko3z wrote
Would it surprise you to know that I’m experiencing both right now? Don’t wait, ask me how you too can feel bad today!
Yahallo139 t1_j08m414 wrote
It has to be more than that, there's way too many people I know who are depressed
sans-delilah t1_j08npj3 wrote
I’m a mid-millennial, and pretty much everybody my age that I know is either a depressed anxious mess with intermittent suicidal thoughts or a straight up sociopath.
2016sucksballs t1_j08poz4 wrote
Is it “decades of familial abuse, aided by doctors, teachers, and everyone else aroundC and denied your whole life, resulting in massive health issues?”
Because that’s why I feel bad.
MasterAce16 t1_j08u23v wrote
I dont think I know anyone my age (30) that isn't experiencing both of these to some degree
Darth_Face2021 t1_j091ghl wrote
There are two roads in a forest....
VBgamez t1_j092qpw wrote
Take neither.
Capitol__Shill t1_j09acf7 wrote
At least you have an excuse. I'm just unhappy for no good reason.
SnowyNW t1_j09akqc wrote
There are dozens of us
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teabagalomaniac t1_j09ckuq wrote
Don't all people experience physical pain?
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moderatesoul t1_j09ezdx wrote
Finally, in the top tenth percentile!
JesusDiedforChipotle t1_j09fpt1 wrote
Just stand there or turn around
timberwolf0122 t1_j09gi8w wrote
You don’t need to excuse how you feel bro. Have you seen a doctor of therapist?
Capitol__Shill t1_j09h2qi wrote
Yeah I have in the past but it's never been revolutionary for me. Idk I honestly feel like I'm in a better place than I used to be. I just have to stay busy.
timberwolf0122 t1_j09haro wrote
Well I’m glad you are in a better place and that will keep on progressing. It might be worth bringing it up at your next checkup, especially if it’s a new doctor
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Capitol__Shill t1_j09hhvu wrote
You have a good point. I actually just got insurance and have an appointment in 3 weeks so I'll bring it up. I appreciate ya.
Chetkica t1_j09ikv4 wrote
Me too
a lot
Chetkica t1_j09imve wrote
Fucked intestinal microflora?
freedom_from_factism t1_j09jgsb wrote
Climb a tree.
Capitol__Shill t1_j09k3j5 wrote
It's definitely part of it. Low fodmap has been helping but I tried a new probiotic today and it wrecked my guts.
The_Wombles t1_j09mqfm wrote
Just take a gander at ops account and you’ll get your answer. Definitely some sort of bot account
Chetkica t1_j09nf9f wrote
I also have fodmap intolerance (and a whole host of mental stuff, both trauma and ASD/OCD/Tourettes neurotype repated) and it has helped me too. Though its not a long term solution ideally keep in mind, it can cause you to not get enough nutrients.
probiotics are a mixed bag, you are pretty much playing russian roulette.
Fecal transplants help w such primary cases of depression, EDs and so on.
Capitol__Shill t1_j09nubw wrote
Honestly what helped me the most has been being on antibiotics. Soon as they ran out though, my stomach issues came back. I thought I had cured all of that while I was on them. So I'm continuing the low fodmap and experimenting with probiotics. Your right though it's literally Russian roulette. I started one today and it had me cramping up all day. I think I'm going to try and get into fermenting foods and making my own yogurt.
Chetkica t1_j09og65 wrote
fermented stuff is good, if low fodmap yes.
These probiotics have a higher success rate than synthetic ones. I had ideas of fermenting fruit soy yogurt (its good!) on my own, but dropped it because in europe soy milk is high fodmap so and they dont sell small tetra-pak of soy milk, only 1 L sadly.
thetoneranger t1_j09q0kr wrote
Time to take control of your life and stop playing the victim. You can do anything just put your mind and willpower towards it. Nothing is a free handout. Life is hard and sucks.
Nappyheaded t1_j09r24z wrote
I don't think Zuckerberg does
EasternAssistance185 t1_j09swxv wrote
The article probably defines it, but I’m not gonna read no stinking article. This is Reddit!
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WerewolfShame t1_j09uwcu wrote
They said "people"
pulsarmine t1_j09vqwj wrote
I, too, am become tree.
WerewolfShame t1_j09vuka wrote
The title is pulled straight from the article on Oxford's website. They just needed to add one word to make it better.
"Nine per cent of adolescents reported experiencing both persistent pain (persistent or recurrent pain in the past six months)"
fffyhhiurfgghh t1_j09wxc4 wrote
I can’t tell is how that a good or bad thing. All things considered?
izzo34 t1_j09ykso wrote
Am 41 and am all fucked up physically. One doctor was kind enough to give me 2 pain meds a day. But we moved and now nobody is willing to do it. I've been thru physical therapy, I do the things they suggest. But it doesn't help. So I just have to live with it until I die. Unless I get cancer. Then they said they would help.
Western-Policy-4646 t1_j09z99j wrote
…9/10 young people don’t experience physical pain?
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usernmtkn t1_j0a1q83 wrote
Yeah thats just your social circle, sorry bud. You and I are roughly the same age and thats not my experience at all.
OneHumanPeOple t1_j0a2asv wrote
Would you like me to get the Reddit crisis services to send you support information?
Roboticpoultry t1_j0a3kid wrote
Same dude. I’ve tried therapies, multiple meds, major changes of scenery, damn near everything and yet my standard operating mood is still somewhere between meh and misery
Capitol__Shill t1_j0a3rku wrote
If I can maintain at meh I'm happy, its the misery that is tough.
katarina-stratford t1_j0a40qd wrote
Don't forget being undiagnosed ADHD/Autism whilst lectured by parents because "everyone is a bit ADHD/Autistic".
katarina-stratford t1_j0a4672 wrote
Intermittent?
Intermittent?!
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insaneintheblain t1_j0a5gzb wrote
Here is a thought - maybe it's just the one's who wished to take part in the study
Reep1611 t1_j0a5jcj wrote
I think its a stretch to classify Zuckerberg as “people”.
Vic_Hedges t1_j0a5wfa wrote
I’m shocked the number is that low.
I figured that was normal for pretty much every body, ever.
SpeakingInDrums t1_j0a6dap wrote
1 in 10? Seems low. Thought it was 10 in 1.
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Ok_Fox_1770 t1_j0a8rrp wrote
Life’s hard. Been around for almost 4 decades and well you just gotta learn to overcome things and find a reason to go on. Reality isn’t what people see online, easy to feel like nothing in a digital world of people flaunting excessive wealth and false happiness with expensive possessions. None of it really matters or exists, gotta find what makes you happy n takes away life’s downer moments for the time engaged in it. I like rock hunting, mushrooms, and getting into fitness, also making things, tactile accomplishments. fills the empty time of life.
BoxedPoutine t1_j0a9nsn wrote
The article says both suicidal thoughts and physical pain.
BoxedPoutine t1_j0a9s1v wrote
Nearly one in 10 young people are experiencing both persistent physical pain and suicidal feelings, according to a new paper from researchers from the University of Oxford, Cambridge, Oslo (Norway), King’s College London, and the Parc Sanitari Sant Joan de Deu (Spain).
For people too lazy to click the link and read the first paragraph. Its both, not just one or the other.
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Ragnakak t1_j0aa333 wrote
What is the origin/cause of the pain?
Ally_Ooop t1_j0adz05 wrote
As a chronic pain patient, this is not surprising. I am lucky in that I have never been suicidal.
My chronic pain has affected my ability to work and function as an independent adult at the most basic level. I was 28 and needed a motor scooter at the grocery store.
My family and friends didn’t understand. My family finally came around, but I lost at least six best friendships I thought would go the distance. Some have been mended. Most haven’t.
My workplace became extremely hostile to me. Causing more stress. Causing more pain.
The world doesn’t understand your suffering. It will always be hard for them to do so. You will always be fighting - with yourself, with your limits, with your body, and with everybody else.
So the fact that these two statistics line up makes so much sense to me.
Destructopoo t1_j0afp4j wrote
"persistent pain (persistent or recurrent pain in the past six months)"
It's not normal for a young person to experience chronic physical pain.
HelenAngel t1_j0agd2f wrote
Considering 1 in 4 girls & 1 in 25 boys will experience sexual assault, I can’t really say I’m surprised. We live in a horrible, cruel world where justice rarely exists.
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LordCrag t1_j0ahuso wrote
Weird my friend group is not like that at all. We all also have kids so maybe that changes the equation somewhat.
TheElderFish t1_j0ahxa1 wrote
Not how a randomized controlled trial works but tell me more
LordCrag t1_j0ahxq9 wrote
What level of pain is required to meet that threshold? Most days I have a mild headache that goes way with OTC pain meds. But I wouldn't call that chronic pain per se.
GoinWithThePhloem t1_j0aie6f wrote
35 and I had this same thought the other day. I have some genetic build issues, 3 major knee surgeries and some sort of mystery shoulder problem that causes me more pain/frustration than everything (it aches when I sleep, when I reddit, when I work out, when I stand there ... ALL THE TIME). I’ve done all required PT plus some, and I’m still dealing wirh a lot of imbalanced pain all over my body. I was sitting in my car with my shoulder throbbing thinking, “this is going to be the rest of my life.” Even if I end up finding the cause of my shoulder problems.. what are they going to do? Rehab it? Perform surgery? My knees are a mess, and those have both been fixed I’m still very active, yet i can’t help but be frustrated.
bunnyguts t1_j0ais45 wrote
I read ‘I contain multitudes’. It’s not a nutrition book but it does has information about probiotics and probiotics. Might be worth checking out. It’s a bit discouraging of probiotics, but seems to indicate some prebiotics can be useful.
Western-Policy-4646 t1_j0aj60s wrote
Why is physical pain included? It might as well say 50% of people eat food and brush their teeth regularly
glowstatic t1_j0ajngy wrote
Honestly I think this is really hard to gauge. I found out recently I’m not supposed to have headaches and neck pain 4x a week. Turns out what I was writing off as “headaches” are actually neuralgic migraines, I’ve been having them for about 5 years and just thought that was normal. Life is much cooler when you’re not in pain all the time, weirdly enough. So I think…. If the headaches are disrupting your enjoyment of your life on a regular basis that’s worth talking to a doctor about.
shitty_owl_lamp t1_j0ak8e2 wrote
More than 1 in 4 children in England are overweight or obese. Obesity causes chronic pain.
The article doesn’t give a reason for the persistent pain, but I bet that has something to do with it.
CogInTheWheel t1_j0amg0p wrote
What? I'm blown away that you (and 1 in 10) do. Because I don't experience persistent physical pain and that's with me having a myriad of major health issues. What causes your pain? Any idea?
insaneintheblain t1_j0ao2bn wrote
> The data came from more than 8,000 adolescents between the ages of 11 and 15 years across the UK who took part in the My Resilience in Adolescence (MYRIAD) trial
Which part do you disagree with?
Capitol__Shill t1_j0ao2pf wrote
Nice thanks I'll check it out.
BoxedPoutine t1_j0apkft wrote
Because people that have chronic pain issues often have issues with mental health. It tends to limit their capacity for healthy coping mechanisms such as exercise. Also you obviously have never conducted a study (or taken a statistics class, if you did you didn't learn anything) by making a post like that.
Spiduscloud t1_j0apn2t wrote
1in 10 feels low everyone i talk to is sad depressed and or lonely or listless. Id bump it to like 7 in 10
schrodingers_cat42 t1_j0app4l wrote
You should be aware that you may have medication overuse headache.
andreasdagen t1_j0appbh wrote
Sorry what? Do most people not feel physical pain daily or at least weekly?
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frenchfrygirll t1_j0apzob wrote
I’ve been experience pain since high school. Only recently, about a decade later, am I realizing that it’s not normal to feel pain daily. While it’s not always really bad, it’s weird to think there are people walking around completely pain free.
8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y t1_j0armzt wrote
We are on Reddit, there are dozens of healthy ones... Most of them are on Instagram to get unhappy, but we are already unhappy so we chose reddit!
Asuka-m t1_j0arwmz wrote
Depression and other mental health issues do not need to have an "excuse." You don't need some giant trauma or "a good reason" to have a valid problem, and you still deserve help and support regardless. I hope things improve for you
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Mr_Mojo_Risin_83 t1_j0au57u wrote
I thought not feeling any pain was a very very rare genetic disorder? Apparently not?
Joebebs t1_j0awd0h wrote
I didn’t even know this was a thing….
TheKrononaut t1_j0ax7uq wrote
I'm 28 and I experience the occasional back pain or headache but im surprised to hear people are just experiencing pain like all the time? What kinda pain are we talking? Muscle pain? Joints?
Saryrn13 t1_j0ayqh3 wrote
It helps pain but as a chronic pain patient it doesn't do what we need it to. It just makes us hate life a little less and makes the pain minorly easier to deal with...
maybehun t1_j0aza1f wrote
Time to see your doctor!
angerpoop t1_j0b09te wrote
For me (29F), I'm clumsy, I bump into things a lot, I get paper cuts at work. :(
On a more serious note though, I have carpal tunnel which I do feel most days during winter, but that's a manageable pain (for now!).
For chronic pain, I have arthritis in my lower spine, as well as 2 degenerating discs, and dealing with the pain from that at its worst (so far) was... debilitating, really. Being awake was painful. Getting out of bed was extremely difficult because of pain. The process of sitting down hurt the worst, so using the restroom sucked. I had to sleep a certain way in bed to not be in pain. Being in constant pain is depressing and puts you in a VERY dark place, at least it did for me. It's very limiting, I couldn't do basic tasks without being in excruciating pain, and I just wanted to cease to exist because I felt like nothing would fix it and I would be in pain forever. Fortunately, physical therapy is amazing and helped tremendously and I am no longer in constant pain! But yeah every day pain sucks!
Also, how young is "young" with these statistics? ;-;
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Saryrn13 t1_j0b1ca5 wrote
Me too friend! I'm sorry
smokeymcdugen t1_j0b2tis wrote
Get help. You should rarely have headaches. It's either something mild and fixable like eye prescription (can happen even if you see more or less clearly) or as serious as a brain tumor.
Typically if you don't have other symptoms and you are young, PCP will send you to optometrist first before and scans.
P_ZERO_ t1_j0b3dbw wrote
Their experiences aren’t nullified because you don’t share them. It being their circle doesn’t strictly mean they hang around with likeminded individuals or those who suffer the same ailments, societal standing and location are pretty important factors.
ertmigert t1_j0b3tnu wrote
Whoever conducted this survey and/or wrote this article needs to go away. This is useless information and almost certainly not accurate. Asking young people if they experience suicidal thoughts is like a donkey doing calculus. A lot of them will say they have just to seem cool. And physical pain is a part of life. Next topic.
GhostlyImage t1_j0b6pdn wrote
When I tried weed for pain after breaking my hand it made me hyper focused on that pain to where it was the only thing I could feel like it was a candle in my body's darkness.
roberh t1_j0b83ml wrote
>There are people walking around
Like 90% of people?
Destructopoo t1_j0b9rww wrote
Did you know that 10% of people are in constant pain? This seems like way more of a slip.
BabylonSuperiority t1_j0bf3d9 wrote
25 here, I am. Physical labour/work will do that to you, even after just a few years. Id be happy to elaborate and be more specific if you're interested.
Saryrn13 t1_j0bh2ic wrote
Just a note, it's been approximately 3 hours since I wrote this reply. I'm still in bed, still awake after multiple times of trying to sleep, I've taken the medication I'm allowed to take. And I'm still in a level of pain high enough that I can't even relax to rest. Much less think about sleep.
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Both_Selection_7821 t1_j0blr6m wrote
I contemplate suicide everyday
kobemustard t1_j0bo7qg wrote
I had problems in shoulders and other joints and I think a lot of this is inflamed tendons but I think I have a genetic predisposition to develop inflamed tendons. Try and dig around that area and feel for a muscle band that is tight. Then keep massaging it until it softens. Another thing I’ve found is if a movement hurts the tendons aren’t moving properly, in my head I see this as the tendons not gliding past each other smoothly. I try and overload it to basically force that area to move Work it until it really hurts and repeat it as much as possible. Takes a month but this has fixed a lot of issues that have come up for me.
FGM_148_Javelin t1_j0bp5cj wrote
The whole point of their comment was to imply everyone’s feeling that way which isn’t true in my case either
ArcherXIII t1_j0bph71 wrote
The one in ten is the one that actually came forward and admitted it. I’m sure it’s about 3/10 in actuality. Maybe more.
P_ZERO_ t1_j0bq3ay wrote
Where did you get any implication of everyone? The thread is about 1 in 10 people, if he was the 1, would it not make sense another 9 said otherwise?
They said “sorry bud”, as if their experiences don’t matter because they don’t align with their own. It was a redundant comment.
The person didn’t even remotely suggest everyone
Mackheath1 t1_j0br9er wrote
I get that sent to me every time I post on more.. progressive suggestions, in more.. regressive subs.
OneHumanPeOple t1_j0brify wrote
That’s why I asked this person instead of just doing it. It can feel like an attack, especially if people have used it as an attack against you before.
LiamTheHuman t1_j0brqvg wrote
It must be more normal now with all the repetitive stress injuries from phone and computer use
draeath t1_j0brt7x wrote
> The thread is about 1 in 10 people, if he was the 1, would it not make sense another 9 said otherwise?
Only if we're talking about an even distribution. I don't think we know that.
P_ZERO_ t1_j0bsp6u wrote
And I don’t think someone sharing anecdotes that match the context is suddenly nullified by someone else’s anecdote.
I have no idea if 1/10 is true, I’d bet it’s a lot higher than that depending on location and social status. I don’t think it’s remotely far to believe less affluent areas and limited access to health care would see numbers greater than 1/10.
Destructopoo t1_j0bucd4 wrote
That seems like a random guess
blay12 t1_j0bvlwi wrote
I mean, I’m 32 and have never been suicidal (major depression a few years back yes, but never suicidal)? Plus no lasting/chronic physical pain outside of the occasional gym/exercise injury or a “slept on my back wrong/bad mattress” sorta thing, but I don’t think that’s what the study is talking about.
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elpajaroquemamais t1_j0c05e6 wrote
Pretty sure 9.999 of 10 people experience physical pain.
BigCommieMachine t1_j0c0atm wrote
There is some literature that says only approximately between 64-77% of people experience a headache in their life.
That means on the high end, 1/4 of people have NEVER had a headache, which is just mind blowing.
MrZombikilla t1_j0c1yan wrote
I feel pain, do you feel pain? Will this pain last forever?
LiamTheHuman t1_j0cdjei wrote
well it's definitely a guess but since I gave a cause I wouldn't say it's random. How does it differ from your statement "It's not normal for a young person to experience chronic physical pain"?
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Destructopoo t1_j0exvlo wrote
Kinda moral panic vibes but I guess not completely random. How does it differ?
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it's possible to say that something is normal or not based on statistics. It's normal based on the data to not experience chronic pain.
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I wasn't giving any causes at all.
LiamTheHuman t1_j0gdov2 wrote
Sorry I thought you said it without any statistics. What statistic were you basing it off of?
Destructopoo t1_j0ikuje wrote
my brother in christ it's the title of the post
LiamTheHuman t1_j0lfpcl wrote
The post is about the cross section of chronic physical pain and suicidality. Unless all people with chronic physical pain have suicidality then it does not support your statement.
Destructopoo t1_j0m0mzv wrote
You're not making much sense and I dont think you really get stats but here you go https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db390.htm
Why are you arguing something you already agree with?
LiamTheHuman t1_j0olsgb wrote
Well I think you don't understand how stats work. The post is about the cross section of chronic pain and suicidality in adolescents. The study you posted is about adult chronic pain.
None of those support what you said, so maybe just admit that you made a claim without evidence that was your opinion and then weirdly called me out for replying with my opinion. I'm arguing because you are being hypocritical and I just want to call it out rather than let it go.
Destructopoo t1_j0rgc98 wrote
I said it's not normal to be in chronic pain. You can't let that go..
You're the one who came up with the conjecture that it's about stress injuries from cell phone use. That's pretty goofy.
LiamTheHuman t1_j0sec6u wrote
>It's not normal for a young person to experience chronic physical pain.
Destructopoo t1_j0sgumt wrote
I honestly can't understand what you need from me. Do you not understand what chronic pain means?
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