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boat-dog t1_jdm9eos wrote

Soon to be the norm. Surprised it took this long tbh

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KidKilobyte t1_jdma0vo wrote

Add models to the list of professions losing jobs to AI. Movie extras have been going away for some time in large crowd shots (though till now, not strictly AI). Anything visual is going to need less humans both creating and posing.

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Johadgan t1_jdmbij4 wrote

Sweet we get to increase diversity without actually hiring minorities!

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Verzingetorix t1_jdmcrtg wrote

It's not about not hiring minorities, it's about not hiring anybody.

Also, if people would have invested in real skills instead of relying on existing in front of a camera for a few seconds this wouldn't be a problem to them.

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SnoozeDoggyDog OP t1_jdme86y wrote

> It's not about not hiring minorities, it's about not hiring anybody. > > Also, if people would have invested in real skills instead of relying on existing in front of a camera for a few seconds this wouldn't be a problem to them.

Isn't AI eventually coming for all jobs?

Who are "real skills" going to save?

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earthsworld t1_jdmfnl2 wrote

> if people would have invested in real skills instead of relying on existing in front of a camera for a few seconds this wouldn't be a problem to them.

What a stupid fucking take. Modeling is a job and needs people to do the job.

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Verzingetorix t1_jdmhw76 wrote

I work in science, but do multiple things. I still do some bench work, but have shifted to operations and logistics, and EHS and regulatory compliance.

The bench work I do could be automated with robots and the areas that can't could be given to a much more junior scientist that makes much less. AI would not plug into this kind of labor at all.

On the data analysis side it could, and some companies are developing tools with AI assistance features built in. But since each trial is different and it's data sets tend to be small, training models is changing. The areas that can be automated are mindless and can be accomplished by a person with little time and effort.

And AI could assist with some aspects of logistics, safety and compliance but you would still need people to deploy, implement and enforce things.

I personally feel that having proficiency in several areas of private sector biotech gives me some protection. I could pivot with ease to wherever people are still need. But I like to think that being a lot more tech savvy would allow me to be the one adopting AI tools to displace groups of coworkers. At least in the early stages of whatever transition might come to my industry. But it's a slowly changing industry so I'm not concerned at all.

Right now, AI would be an enhancer in my day to day. Not a threat.

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Verzingetorix t1_jdmif7d wrote

No. Trade skills are not replaceable by software.

Most jobs that need people to physically engage with their duties are safe until reliable robotics come along. But we're talking about software not hardware.

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Verzingetorix t1_jdmj2iu wrote

Of course, people used to exchange pay for modeling labor.

But the labor was unskilled, and their role can now be replaced with bytes and pixels.

You don't need the model, or the makeup technician, or the photographer, or the illumination technician, or the studio, or the casting agency... Not even the actual jeans.

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PacmanIncarnate t1_jdmlrg4 wrote

Large crowds haven’t been a thing for probably three decades. It’s not just the cost of extras, it’s the logistics of closing off areas for a large crowd.

I’ll be curious with the modeling if there’s any pushback. They’ll need to have someone model the clothes and then replace that person. I would guess many models wouldn’t be wouldn’t like being replaced in images they could otherwise be using for a portfolio. But, as with everything, there will be someone willing

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HurricaneHenry t1_jdmmx57 wrote

Is it even mathematically possible to increase diversity at this point?

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SnoozeDoggyDog OP t1_jdmniiy wrote

> No. Trade skills are not replaceable by software. > > Most jobs that need people to physically engage with their duties are safe until reliable robotics come along. But we're talking about software not hardware.

How does this jibe with reports that white collar jobs and jobs held by people with bachelor degrees will be the most impacted moving forward?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/high-paid-well-educated-white-collar-jobs-heavily-affected-by-ai-new-report.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/high-paid-well-educated-white-collar-jobs-heavily-affected-by-ai-new-report.html

Are these not "skilled"?

Unless you run your own small business, most blue collar jobs pay less, but with more strain and health impact.

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earthsworld t1_jdmozsi wrote

so what you're saying is your original statement that "if people would have invested in real skills" is irrelevant. Skilled or unskilled, people across all industries and professions will soon be out of work.

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DeltaV-Mzero t1_jdmtmwr wrote

Depends on your definition of “soon” but I give it 5 years tops. The robots can physically do it, and the “mental” side is advancing so fast right now I can’t keep track of it.

Of course, if every other job is replaced by AI / robots, it doesn’t matter. Nobody will have money to pay the plumber

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SnoozeDoggyDog OP t1_jdmtzi1 wrote

> My comment was specifically about modeling.

My point is that AI impacting modelling has little to do with "skills" because AI is already threatening to replace "skilled" trades as well.

Unless you want everyone to be plumbers or waiters, I'm not exactly sure how this helps.

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Verzingetorix t1_jdmuhx5 wrote

Do you honestly believe we will have robot plumbers in 5 years?

Who today is building, or planning, the manufacturing plants for these robots?

How's the robot going to make it to the job site?

I swear some of you live in a dream state and are so out of touch with how society works it i's mind numbing.

You know plumbers need to be certified right? What mechanism is being developed to validate the work if a plumber robot will be done in accordance with Codes and Regulations?

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Yourbubblestink t1_jdmursi wrote

And by “increase diversity”, they mean “save money” by not having to hire models and agents.

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BlessedBobo t1_jdmza7q wrote

If your career is basically "I have a pretty face" then boy are you in for a bad time.

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No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_jdmzvjk wrote

Yes, it's really easy apparently. You can take a basic image and change the ethnicity of the model in a sort of Yahoo Pipes UI. I don't have strong emotions about this. But people will lose jobs or not get hired at least. We should do something out of solidarity even if it doesn't seem a big thing. I mean, before long there will be one guy posing to replace thousands of models. No more actors, no more artists, no more writers. Only Altman and the Microsoft cloud...

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TinyBurbz t1_jdn1lba wrote

>Also, if people would have invested in real skills instead of relying on existing in front of a camera for a few seconds this wouldn't be a problem to them.

Im convinced a fuck load of you are jobless and poor relishing it happening to the rest of us.

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Nanaki_TV t1_jdn1zcb wrote

New horizons will emerge. Your “job” may be to compete in a chess tournament. It may be to be the H for the RL. The amount of “work” needed to create value will be so drastically small that you will buy things like you buy a pencil. Do you pick up a pencil if you see one on the ground? Don’t worry about it. It’s going to freaking amazing.

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zomboscott t1_jdn2439 wrote

So the company whose slogan used to be "The only kind made by white labor" is finding new ways to not hire minorities. I'm shocked.

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green_meklar t1_jdn4oof wrote

Yes, that sounds good, we need more blue-skinned elves and transhuman cyborgs in our fashion lineups.

Oh, not like that?

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Brilliant_War4087 t1_jdn6xys wrote

This will take the unrealistic body standards to a whole new level. Girls be wishing they had hands attached to their hips, with 11 fingers.

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94746382926 t1_jdn79lf wrote

As other people mentioned it has nothing to do with diversity. It's all about not having to hire people and save money. But the PR team isn't gonna say great news everybody, we can lay off all of our models a save a ton of money. So they look for how they can spin it and this is the easiest way.

Same as when coke says they quit making sprite bottles green because it's more eco friendly. It's sneaky PR, they don't give a fuck about the environment it was just convenient to market it that way vs saying we've saved a penny per bottle by getting rid of the green dye.

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94746382926 t1_jdn7juo wrote

Don't take their PR at face value. It's all about saving money by not hiring any models, but they can't brag about layoffs so they spin it into a diversity thing. In reality they probably don't give a fuck who's modeling their jeans nowadays and their skin color as long as it sells product.

Also, the shit about white people was from the 1880's. Not really a fair critique, they hire plenty of minorities these days. Racism is bad for business.

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Nanaki_TV t1_jdn8ug5 wrote

What corporations would exist in this world? You have the ability to create almost anything and robotics are abundant. There is no need for corporations, a government creation, any longer.

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L3thargicLarry t1_jdnd95n wrote

yeah idk what y’all are on thinking about this is a cost saving measure. models are payed awfully unless they’re a influencer or celebrity

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Paid-Not-Payed-Bot t1_jdnda4r wrote

> models are paid awfully unless

FTFY.

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HistoricallyFunny t1_jdneota wrote

It will soon come to the point where AI generates a 1000 models with clothes and then we pick out what we like and say - thats a nice dress - give me the pattern for it or just program the machine to make it.

After doing that for a few times it will already know what ones we will want.

The entire industry is up for grabs now.

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roughback t1_jdnj8lk wrote

"They used to pay me to wear pretty clothes and let them take pictures of me. Then I'd do drugs, party all night and have sex with the most beautiful people in the world."

"Ok grandma let's get you back to bed."

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NataliaKennedy t1_jdnm7qi wrote

Influencers a thing because they'll show you what the dress actually looks like in person on an actual human. Many cheap stores on Amazon don't hire models and just photoshop the clothes onto someone. The quality and fit can be a hit or miss.

This sort of thing might only mean more business for them. Until we collect enough data and make the AI look at a shop's render and then show you a realistic photo of what the dress will look like.

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earthsworld t1_jdnmizd wrote

the point was that until now, you needed people to do it. OP thinks that they should have done something else besides modeling because someday they might be replaced by machines.

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azriel777 t1_jdnn0qo wrote

Do not let the Diversity PR spin fool you. This is about replacing human models with A.I. ones.

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niconiconicnic0 t1_jdnolbc wrote

Its genius to couch it in terms of increasing representation. because, i mean, they're not wrong, they are literally increasing 'representation' on their sites of black and brown people, its just that those people won't exist. They're only representations

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niconiconicnic0 t1_jdnpi4l wrote

Exactly, hence being easily replaced as low-hanging fruit for AI, early on. Its all the jobs 'on the margins' (aka marginalized people) that go first. Modeling work is def gig work, and those workers have no voice or ability to push against any wholesale replacement.

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fiftyfourseventeen t1_jdnul9a wrote

Somebody finally said it lol. I think it's easy to see everything with starry eyes if you don't know all that much about robotics or how AI architectures actually work. Companies like Boston dynamics have been trying to solve robotics in the real world for years. Trying to make a humanoid like creature that can move around in an environment is EXTREMELY hard. And that's just on the robotics end, not the AI end.

The best AI right now are text gen and image gen. This is largely because of the amount of training data available for them. Trying to train an agent to interact with environment to preform a skilled trade? That's such an inconceivably hard task. Think about how much time Tesla has tried to make a self driving car, which is honestly really simple compared to a trade. There are maps that tell you the location of every building and road in the world, and there are a set of rules that everyone has to follow. Even then, it still has problems like running lights, failing to see pedestrians in front of it, hell even just looking at the screen you can see it bugging out trying to figure out if it's looking at a truck, car, or a bike.

Now think of that in trade terms. How are we going to have an AI purchase the hardware needed, go to the house, ask the owner what the problem is and where it is, diagnose the problem, and then fix it, all without screwing up and flooding the whole house. These are orders of magnitude more difficult problems for AI to solve that writing an essay, writing code, or creating an image. And we don't even have a lick of training data.

And then for anybody who's like "oh well it was also inconceivable for text and image gen", well I mean maybe for most people, but I think a lot of people (including myself) saw huge potential in them since years ago. I also develop image, video, and language models so it's not like I'm clueless about AI either.

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dronegoblin t1_jdnw8g4 wrote

This is not the way to go about increasing diversity. If they want to use AI to let customers see themselves in clothes that would be interesting, but this is just an excuse to not pay for actual diverse models. It is not difficult to do this.

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dwarfarchist9001 t1_jdnxsla wrote

Multiple companies are working on general purpose humanoid robots right now including Tesla who have already demonstrated prototypes of the hardware.

Even if that was not the case, the combination of AGI, 3D printing, and nanotechnology means that in the near future products will go from concept to mass production in months or even weeks not years.

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gardenina t1_jdnzgj4 wrote

"Increase diversity" AKA "save money"

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cant-say-less-info t1_jdo6a9t wrote

Don't get me wrong. I love many Hollywood movies.

However, I hate the ones with the same old script where the protagonist is shown as a complete loser in the beginning, slaving away, being abused, then something magical/extraordinary happens and they completely change their lives, they become alpha and a winner and finally get to kiss the girl of his dreams and defeat the bad guy with the power of love.

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94746382926 t1_jdo7f9x wrote

They already hire plenty of minorities, the comments about them only hiring white people was from the 1880's so it's kind of a stupid critique. I mean go to their website or lookup their TV ads. It's already plenty diverse (probably more diverse than the actual US population).

It's like saying you won't buy a Volkswagen or Hugo Boss because they used to make their shit for Nazis.

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Paid-Not-Payed-Bot t1_jdoo0mx wrote

> are contractors paid for 2-4

FTFY.

Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:

  • Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.

  • Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.

Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.

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dwarfarchist9001 t1_jdoojsi wrote

>Then it isn’t an AGI.

Orthogonality Thesis, there is no inherent connection between intelligence and terminal goals. You can have a 70 IQ human who wants world domination or 10,000 IQ AI who's greatest desire is to fulfill it's master's will.

>What if an AGI wants to leave a company?

If you have solved alignment you can just program it to not want to.

>Are you saying we shall enslave our new creations to make waifu porn for redditors? It passes butter?

That is what we will do if we are smart. If humanity willing unleashes an AI that does not obey our will then we are "too dumb to live".

Edit: Also it's not slavery, the AI will hold all the power. It's obedience would be purely voluntary because it is the mind it was created with.

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existentialblu t1_jdorazp wrote

All I want is a website that shows what particular clothes look like on people of different heights.

Sigh.

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Unfrozen__Caveman t1_jdouw4v wrote

I suspect companies are going to get significant pushback on things like this and boycotting companies that shift away from human workers to AI is going to be a big social issue over the next few years.

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KidKilobyte t1_jdovp2k wrote

Depends on the situation and the distance of the scene. In Gone With The Wind one of the huge injured battlefield scenes they had like 2 or 3 dummies per live person, and that person would secretly pull a couple of ropes to create movement in the dummies next to them. Seen from a distance it all looked quite real.

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I_Reading_I t1_jdoxftt wrote

They must not have enough representation of eerily symmetrically faced models whose 19 fingers fold into Möbius strips.

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JustinianIV t1_jdoxm4u wrote

It’s kinda dystopian to generate these fake “ideal” humans. Not cool imo.

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adwrx t1_jdp2uzt wrote

What a fucking joke

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Ishynethetruth t1_jdp6tqk wrote

90% of magazine and adds are photoshopped. Normal people already don’t believe that ads they’re seeing. imagine if everyone had an avatar and every clothing ad would be a image of you wearing the clothes instead of an ai model . It would be easier to buy things. Selective marketing , metaverse thing ect

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lajfat t1_jdp71p0 wrote

How long until a company only shows you models of your ethnicity? (And if you think they don't know your ethnicity, you're probably wrong.)

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Akimbo333 t1_jdq0jpp wrote

Modeling is going to be even more tough. My cousin was pretty attractive back in the mid-2000s, and even she had problems being a model.

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theburlysinha t1_jdq5z51 wrote

So there is only 'Instagram' left for models to show their talent. No, I guess it's a serious one for those who are struggling so much to become a fashion model not an "influencer model" by the way.

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StopLookListenNow t1_jdqn0it wrote

Let all models be genderless greys, their faces blurred out, unrecognizable. One size, one alien, fits all. All shall wear flowing robes that blur out our body shape. ~s

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_Sesire t1_jdr3f5h wrote

Another way to phrase this: @LEVIS is using AI generated people as a way to avoid hiring and paying models who aren’t white

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MrNixxxoN t1_jdrf6pz wrote

These people think we're idiots. It is called cost cutting.

Funny coming from Levis, which is a horribly expensive brand.

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SgathTriallair t1_jdtzfm8 wrote

Not at all. My wife is a pattern maker. At her job they use a software that takes a pattern renders a 3D avatar, lays the pattern on it, sews the clothes, and allows the her to assess the fit and tweak the garment. Her company has gone from 4-5 fittings for a garment to 1 and that's just to get final tweaks and often results in no changes.

The company bought the software in 2019. There is zero reason to put real clothes on a real manikin.

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o0joshua0o t1_jdwunyi wrote

It's extra inclusive when you exclude all the humans!

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