What if it's just chat bot infatuation and were overhyping what is just a super big chat bot?

Submitted by Arowx t3_127h0fj in singularity

At Uni in the 90s there was a story of the student who was found to be missing classes and constantly logging into the computers.

He was in chatting to what he though was a female online that turned out to be an early but good enough chat bot.

And after all that's what GPT base AI are, just super large Neural Network based chat bots.

Like the afore mentioned student are we falling for what is just the largest language pattern matching system we have ever built.

As a tool it will be amazing but it's only amazing because it has picked up the patterns humanity has made already and can regurgitate and rearrange them.

So are we overhyping a super chat bot?

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Veleric t1_jee4iyd wrote

Plugins are all GPT-4 needs to rise to a whole new level. We can't effectively judge it yet.

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Surur t1_jee51yn wrote

You are clearly not using CGPT to get work done lol. It's been a great productivity enhancement for me.

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_JellyFox_ t1_jee5aej wrote

The thing is, it's not just a chat bot. Read the report by Microsoft where they had access to the unrestricted, uncensored version.

It needs a proper memory system, a way to work backwards from a conclusion and a system for reflection which is another way of saying self-improvement. This is all being work on currently with multiple solutions already proposed. I mean, a guy used a few tools and created a basic system of the above on his local machine already. Also look at TaskMatrix.AI by Microsoft which they'll be releasing soon.

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jlowe212 t1_jee7ruk wrote

If by overhype you mean looking for sentience or a tool to solve all the world's problems, then yes its just hype and will be for a long time, if not forever.

If you're looking for a tool that takes productivity and information gathering to a whole new level, it's not hype at all. It'll be the biggest leap forward since cheap PCs and the internet.

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MrEloi t1_jee9jvk wrote

just super large Neural Network based

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JUST? JUST?

You just don't get it.

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TFenrir t1_jee9pmm wrote

What does it even mean to overhype this?

Let me ask this way - do you think that eventually this technology will be able to write coherent novels?

What impact to the entire world would something like that have?

Do you think it will only be able to write novels?

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Arowx OP t1_jeegrav wrote

Replying to TFenrir (#2,524,444)

Just asked Bing and apparently AI can already write novels. With one report of a Japanes AI system that can write novels better than humans.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/11/08/ai-writing-is-here-and-its-worryingly-good-can-writers-and-academia-adapt

We would be inundated with millions of novels from people who wanted to write a novel and companies that would target specific novels at profitable demographics.

We would need AI critics just to help sort the wheat from the chaff.

The thing is it's like a DJ mixing records it could generate some amazing new mixes but if the pattern is not already out there it's very unlikely to find new patterns.

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Hackerjurassicpark t1_jeemx1o wrote

It’s not just a chatbot.

I’ve been using bing chat for sometime now and it has legit tremendously transformed and sped up the way I search for information on the internet. No wonder google is panicking.

These tools are also coming to pretty much every office app like excel, PowerPoint, word, teams, etc. if it can transform the way I use those tools to the same extent it has transformed my search experience, it’s going to be a huge huge productivity improvement.

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TFenrir t1_jeenq5p wrote

Replying to Arowx (#2,526,859)

> The thing is it's like a DJ mixing records it could generate some amazing new mixes but if the pattern is not already out there it's very unlikely to find new patterns.

What does this mean in practice?

Hypothetically, let's say I ask a future (1-2 years out) model to write me a brand new fantasy book series, and tell it what all my favourite books are - and it writes me something that is stellar, 5/5. If someone comes to me and says "yes but is this TRULY original?" What does that even mean?

I think some people are very confident that LLMs cannot find new ideas, but I don't know where they get that confidence from - LLMs have continuously exceeded the thresholds proposed by their critics, and now it feels like we're getting into the esoteric. It's a bit of a... God of the gaps situation to me.

Hypothetically, let's say a language model solves a math problem that has never been solved before - would that change your mind? Do you think that's even possible?

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Dabeastfeast11 t1_jefccia wrote

Replying to Arowx (#2,526,859)

I mean this would be a great point if ai wasn’t being used for new research where there’s not a lot of patterns, or if people were original but if you read or watch a lot you see most stuff is already just remixes of something else

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RobXSIQ t1_jefjfv0 wrote

What if humans are just meaty noisemakers who push rocks around into shapes.

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