Mokebe890 t1_irruj26 wrote on October 10, 2022 at 3:46 PM

Why not? Consciousness applies only to humans, so there is something in humans where it emerge. Also is gorilla conscious when it sign language something to you?

Humans are limited and only astonishing thing is we can do extremly complex operations per second with a very low electricity. But still, we're limited and we can achieve this level as our tech progress.

Look at primates, one thing particulary made us conscious while others not, and this thins is probably frontal lobe. Expreminet long enough with NN and maybe something will emerge.

Rumianti6 OP t1_irry0zb wrote on October 10, 2022 at 4:09 PM

I just said that while it could be possible that an AI could have consciousness, it could also be possible that they can't. Because the fundamentals between life and AI are very different. While you may draw some similarities between the two they are ultimately different.

You're argument is basically if primates are conscious then that must mean we can make AI conscious somehow, which isn't a good argument.

Mokebe890 t1_irsab1q wrote on October 10, 2022 at 5:31 PM

I said that there is one thing that distinguish us from primates and probably one thing distinguish NN or LLM from AGI. That's what I meant.

The life isn't the cousciousness. If you like like that, there is only 0.0000001% of life that is conscious which actually sucks in terms of probability. My statement was that it dont have to emerge from life, but artifical intelligence must have same structure as biological one to emerge.

Kinexity t1_irs4b0p wrote on October 10, 2022 at 4:51 PM

>Also is gorilla conscious when it sign language something to you?

This is a bad example. All of this gorillas using sing language were always presented using cherry picked examples. It would be huge news if they displayed any kind of intellligence beyond animal instinct and trained responses.

Mokebe890 t1_irsa0jo wrote on October 10, 2022 at 5:29 PM

I read that big part of their reactions were true and not modeled but it might be true what you say. Primates use tools and stuff, which tends to show that they learn how to manipulate objects for their interest. Yet sure we don't have intelligence from then shown.