Submitted by JamehsCretin t3_zbr72q in singularity

To start this off, as the title says, I'm a beginner artist. I'm not sure how much, if at all, that comes into play here, but keep that in mind. Anyway, getting into the meat of it, I first found out about this stuff through Marques Brownlee's video on Dall-E 2. I was completely blown away at the time and it turned out that's around the time it really started to take off. I yearned for a model I could use, and thought how in maybe 5 years I could be generating anything I can imagine. That day came a lot sooner than I expected.

When StableDiffusion was announced and demonstrated, it was just about all I could've asked for. Open source, able to be modified and trained however you want, can even be run locally. Truly the Linux of AI. With that said though, it turns out it is heavily dependent on the model. Stuff like NovelAI and MidJourney are beyond insane, but others are barely even passable. But after coming back to it and using NovelAI last night, I'd say that's a good thing. The capabilities with what I thought were really simple prompts were astonishing. It was creating things that at times were so good you could slap it on a poster for an anime and no one would bat an eye. Mind you we're still less than a year into this.

Granted, there are limitations, I can't ask for literally anything on any model. At the same time, SD being the way that it is allows anyone to create a model to generate whatever that thing is. Give it 5 years, and there will be models for just about anything you can ask for.

Now, onto the elephant in the room. Is it art, is it stealing, and can someone say that it's theirs*?*

To answer the first question, I'd argue yes, but not in the sense that it's a drawing. I'd say it's akin to photography vs painting. They're too very different things, but they serve an ultimately similar purpose. It's still used to express oneself, even if it is just imputing specific words into a certain program. I'm not here to argue on whether or not it's the effort that counts, and what that means, I'm just saying what I felt when generating my stuff on NAI.

As for it being theft, I'd say no, but I can definitely see why one can think that, and that sort of leads into the next question. However, for this specifically, I'd say it's different enough from base works that it can't be considered theft. Maybe more akin to an easier fanart, in some cases. However, I'm not expert on this, and I'd love to hear more skilled artist's and programmer's thoughts alike.

As for saying it's someone's creation akin to a drawing kind of seems disingenuous. Sure, I helped the AI come to its conclusion, but it just doesn't feel like I made it. If it's a back and forth of improvement, you feed it a rough outline, it gives back something better, you improve that and so on, then yeah, it's yours. If you're just generating it from scratch, I just wouldn't feel right saying it's mine.

I'm not sure where this all will go, but I think it's a really cool tool, and I think it will end up helping a lot of artists once the initial stigma it has right now goes away. I also think it will help a lot of people who don't have the time or money to learn how to draw create things that they always wanted to. I'd also even say a lot of commissions for real artists will still exist, albeit more competitively because I'd say half of a commission is for the art, and the other half is for or because of the artist making it. These are just predictions for the 2020s, I can't say what will happen further down the road.

In the end, there's a lot more I could go into, but this is long enough as is. Also, these are all just my opinions, and I'd love to hear more. Maybe I'll learn or hear something I didn't think of. I'm not too passionate either way, so go nuts. Thank you!

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Enzo_Beax t1_iysttru wrote

I create. I use 3D, not so long ago I would have been slated (maybe still would be) because I didn't draw my work by hand, yet I put in effort, time, attention, care and craft.

I imagine that nobody viewing my work is likely to care about that; they care about the image.

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Significant-Wear902 t1_iytnz0n wrote

There are some chapters in Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom that touches that subject.

His idea is that after the singularity, the only humans that actually work with crafting things and have some sort of economical relevance to it are those who can profit off the craft being piquant.

Like people thinking "Oh, a website being crafted by hand by a human? That is so pittoresque".

Pretty much like equestrianism.

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Significant-Wear902 t1_iytnki4 wrote

You are completely right, and i am happy for you being so insightful.

I am more of a programmer, but i realize already now that in 3 years, the programming profession will be really heavily influenced by AI, and i have to adapt already now.

To be honest, first thing i do when i finish my webdev and networking courses in january should be to read up a lot on prompt engineering and some basic AI terminology.

This stuff will be wild.

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JamehsCretin OP t1_iytxxqh wrote

Without a doubt. Given we're going into what looks like an AI explosion, having some knowledge on the subject will be invaluable. I wish you luck, and all the best as we go into this wild future.

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[deleted] t1_iytyk7e wrote

Who cares about theft of IP? There won't be any artists anymore.

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6_Stringz t1_iyv8b1x wrote

As someone who's currently studying to become an architect, I'm very much looking forward to being able to have AI assist me in my designs. It will make designing houses for those with specific needs a lot more accessible, and it could open up space and time for more creative freedom when it comes to the aesthetic, as the AI can take care of the technical aspects such as calculations, making the whole process shorter, and thus cheaper.

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