AI Art - Until (or if) AI Becomes Conscious and Vulnerable - is for people who connect to other people as they connect to animate objects.

Submitted by [deleted] t3_1038se4 in singularity

Which, you know, can be it's own genre.

But I suspect it'll largely remain unpopular in the way that photography is usually boring compared to painting, despite its greatly increased image precision and accuracy.

AI art is popular amongst a certain type of people, who are far more common isolated on the internet. But largely, the arts will remain a human pursuit, with machines eventually doing a lot of the heavy technical lifting precisely because in the real world, people care about a connection to the artist.

I.e. people get angry when they find out people were lipsyncing, as if it's cheating. So... people are going to triply feel that way about AI arts.

Human art is here to stay, and the context behind it will render it unable to be trivialized, just like photography never trivialized hyperrealistic paintings and portraits. What people will continue to pish back against in AI art is its ability to obfuscate the fact that something was AI generated.

I'm far more interested in AI programs being used to procedurally generate landscapes according to spec for VR and video game purchases, as well as operating video games with a far more robust mechanics system that doesn't have to be manually codes. I.e. MMOs where AI NPCs enforce contracts and "have opinions." But where the lighting, color scheme, etc. is largely human made, and the process of modifying and repeating various patterns in more robust ways is done by AI to give us truly amazing procedural worlds that are both from the imagination of people and made robust from AI.

Imagine being able to paint with erosion, and sculpt with earthquakes. And, to push these forces through time and get a realistic world Sim.

Cool stuff is coming. The controversial nature of AI art will be a trivial matter in the face of the creative powers we will get that will more fully interface humans with their own imaginations rather than rehashing the imaginations of others without ever connecting to those other people.

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FoveatedRendering t1_j2xmgse wrote

I think AI art will be replaced by AI video, AI comics, AI games with a single prompt in ChatGPT-5 and be human assisted in ChatGPT-4. The current art technology is pretty but not superhuman and lacks consistency, once it surpasses the best humans it will likely become ubiquitous.

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xnp5u wrote

I think for artistry it will never surpass the best humans simply because there is nothing to surpass. You can't go past perfect, you can only move laterally from there. No one is beating da Vinci, Bouguereau or Gustave Dore.

Likewise, AI's context will always cheapen its art, especially for the sake of meaning and expression. Sort of like AI stick figures are meaningless, but a child's stick figures -especially of a deceased child - a priceless because of the context.

But from a worldbuilding/VR standpoint, there will be a lot of fun to be had. Games, that sort of thing.

Virtual canvases where you do a much more precise interaction and do most of the painting.l and the AI more or less just helps you execute your own vision? That will still retain the human context, but, like photography, will boost output.

That plus copyright troll AI is why I think AI art prompt programs, while it's here to stay, is unlikely to become a permanent mainstream fixture in the way that future tools that more accurately capture human intention will be.

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FoveatedRendering t1_j2xqq4b wrote

Certainly from an artistic standpoint it's not possible to surpass Da Vinci, but a movie like Avatar 2 is more technologically advanced than any other from 10 years ago, or even a concept art for God of War uses higher technology. I expect AI to keep surpassing its own quality every year and reach quality levels that is impossible for humans to make in art, then movies, games, comics, books, music, programming, and eventually all other jobs.

Yes, I think ChatGPT-5 will be able to code an entire virtual canvas app with a single prompt where you can choose how much the AI helps with pictures.

About copyright, as an AGI enthusiast I want AIs to study the entire internet and then become our servants to accelerate AGI, but of course we need UBI first.

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xtham wrote

I think we're more or less saying the same thing too...

AI being used to replace the artistry of humans is like building robots to experience paradise for us, or "do the chore" of having sex with our wives for us. It's innately perverse, in my view. Heh.

But, using AI to remove many of the limitations from human artistic vision? That's a totally different ball game, and I suspect it will be more popular.

On the flip side, I plan to invest in my hand skills. Many woodworkers try to not use machinery because it takes away from the aesthetic of the craft.

Likewise, I value that sort of innate human hand effect quite a bit, so I'm investing in my skillsets in order to be able to carry that sort of thing out.

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FoveatedRendering t1_j2xwrx9 wrote

Yes, I think AI and automation is a good thing that will lead us to the singularity, I just hope for an UBI so nobody is left behind once GPT-4 starts doing a lot of intellectual jobs.

You might be interested in this interview where an artist interviews an AI researcher.

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[deleted] OP t1_j2y2pnq wrote

While I'm expanding my "luddite" skills, I plan to equally develop a command over actually interfacing with AI. I think this will be a huge skill in itself.

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xh8u1 wrote

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xinza wrote

You put way too much stock into your own opinion

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xiwz4 wrote

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xj3g4 wrote

Probably by lying about the fact that AI did a lot of it, no doubt!

I too could scam people easily if I had no morals.

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xja81 wrote

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[deleted] OP t1_j2xkcl1 wrote

Heh. Well, lying about the use of AI is one of the bigger concerns about this tech.

People care where their stuff comes from, largely.

People pay a premium for hand painted portraits even though photography is more accurate.

They'll pay a premium for human created as well. Most people can't afford that premium.

AI that can help discern the origin of images will help with this too.

A subset of people will continue to consume AI generated content.

I also predict that AI copyright trolls will come along and spoil the whole thing for everyone. When there is blood in the water, the sharks show up.

With this much copyright infringement, certain people stand to make billions suing people for the use of copyrighted material.

So, I'd add... use these programs at your own risk. AI copyright enforcement will bring its own poisoning of the well.

And it's the age old story. One person poisons the well, someone else poisons it to get even and civil strife erupts.

LAION unethical data scraping was the first poisoning of the well. And, you might think I'm being a moral perfectionist, but this is the way of reality. People tend not to truly get away with anything, and looking to AI to get away with things is very foolish, and will backfire in magnified fashion.

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