rixtil41 t1_j5147jk wrote
Some people like me like control and power that doesn't mean we all want to be dictators but it's about the experience in itself. I want to live in a world were no matter what I do or say will never get me in trouble which is not possible. I want to live in other worlds with having powers like marvel are also not possible. The only way for your plan or idea to work is for everyone to be content with this world. Which is fine with not being content with this world.
OldWorldRevival t1_j5169os wrote
Also... everyone likes power and control on some level.
There are more satisfying things to pursue.
rixtil41 t1_j518wiq wrote
If people don't find the real world satisfying things then let them be in the simulation.
leechmeem t1_j54faqr wrote
Won't there be a point where they lose satisfaction with their fantasy reality? What then? It just seems like everything in a virtual reality will be one big roleplay, instead of actually feeling truly yourself. I'm under belief this would fluctuate the mental disease of psychosis and depression. There's nothing wrong with a game of pretend, we did it as kids and we do it with VR. But that's all there is to it- pretend.
rixtil41 t1_j54gxc0 wrote
Everything in virtual reality will be one big roleplay, instead of actually feeling truly yourself.
What if you truly feel yourself but just can't express it adequately in this world what then?
But that's all there is to it- pretend
Who cares if it's all pretend?
leechmeem t1_j54jbn0 wrote
>Who cares if it's all pretend?
I guess that's just my personal idea. I would want my accomplishments to matter. If your accomplishments only matter to you in a mental and non-phsyical sense, then is it an accomplishment? Or do you just simply "not care"? I don't like this idea of blissful ignorance. I really don't think it will make anyone feel fulfilled in themselves.
If you mean expressing yourself as in socially, then yes a lot people do have trouble with that. That's why people go on the internet. I understand your viewpoint, though. People can manifest accomplishment in their own mind, but as if you are spending time living your life in an online chatroom, and one day you get banned from said chatroom, its addictive properties still linger while you sit with the sinking realization that THAT was your life for a period of time you just wasted. I do see virtual stuff like this as some sort of ecstasy or dopamine drug. You then realize anything you have accomplished just didn't really matter. I think this would occur if you were to abuse simulation like this.
ElvinRath t1_j51e00q wrote
Yeah, but that's probably how it is gonna be, and those things... It would be a bad idea to do then in real life.
If what you meant with your post was that we should not abandon the real world, well...Honestly I'm not sure if that will be that much of a risk.
Will we want that?
I'm more worried about indirect things, like if we will in the end ignore human contact.
>It's like when people try to fill a void in their heart with things, rather than meaningful experiences with people.
What is meaningful and what is not? I'm not asking as a joke, in fact I'm not even asking you, I'm just asking to emphasize that we don't know.
Most people think about achievements, but let's be real, most people die without any great achievement.
A lot of people think about their family and offspring. Well, biologicaly this makes sense, but probably with inmortal lives it can get weird. (Maybe we keep expanding our numbers and fill the universe of humans...but it's hard to picture families staying together with hundreds of generations alive)
Friends? Human contact? Well, maybe. I don't like the idea of a future with much less human contact, but certainly see it as a posibility.
A lot of people think about their job. I can understand someone working on some fields saying that, but come on. Most people work on jobs that they hate...
I'm not sure of how we will feel that we are living meaningful lives. Maybe we won't, but maybe we will notice not because we have lost our meaning, but because we have more time to pay attention.
But I don't see what VR has do to with most of that.
I think that the real risk is continue to have human contact, or not.
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Honestly, I'm a bit worried about future generations born after this. Will they attend schools with other humans?
I mean, I want to experience a VR where I can do whatever I desire, but I think that without a real world with boundaries and limits is probably needed for a healthy mind, specially in the first years of our lives.
The contact with other beings that we have to respect it's probably something very healthy.
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Future young people is gonna kill me, but we should probably heavily restrict a lot the use of VR under 18 or 16 or something...
OldWorldRevival t1_j5157zo wrote
I'm saying that such a drive is unwise to pursue at the expense of other things.
How long before one tires of the fake thing and seeks put the real thing?
ronton t1_j51ekcu wrote
For some people, myself included, whether something is “real” or “fake” is more or less irrelevant.
We can’t even know if our world is “real” so why should we eschew virtual wonders out of loyalty to this reality?
StarChild413 t1_j54std6 wrote
For the same reason it'd be a really boring sims playthrough if all you made them do in their free time was play The Sims on their own computers
rixtil41 t1_j517xhe wrote
I'm not sure how long but if they ever do that does not make the drive bad. The drive of pursuing things at the expense of others is wise in this world not all imagery ones.
OldWorldRevival t1_j51b6i7 wrote
I think you underestimate hiw deeply I've dived into the system you describe, taking it farther than you...
In a nihilistic system, power is the ultimate actualization. A simulation will not be enough. Dominating other beings is what comes after that.
rixtil41 t1_j51c9zs wrote
Only time will who is right.
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