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bubster15 t1_j33qj5q wrote

I don’t see how it contradicted itself at all.

Ultimately it argues consciousness is tricky and not well understood scientifically, thus, it highlights some thought experiments where we guess some of the rules to “consciousness” and see if it makes sense to our understanding.

Consciousness is impossible to define even for humans. We have no idea what ultimately makes us conscious but it uses subjective thought as an example of what we generally are looking for in “consciousness”

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turnip_burrito t1_j33unnx wrote

If consciousness isn't the subjective experience, and it isn't the externally observable physical system, then there is nothing left for it to be, except perhaps a third thing like a "soul". It is logically impossible for a word to sensibly mean anything except one or a subset of those three things. Consciousness, to mean anything, would be one of those or some aspect of those. The cause or process of it is not determinable now, but the thing itself can be put to words easily.

If something is impossible to define, then the word should not be used in a serious discussion.

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eve_of_distraction t1_j34apbl wrote

Some people including famous philosophers are deeply confused about this. Look at Dan Dennett for example, claiming consciousness is an illusion. It stems from an alarming lack of introspection.

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