The bandwidth of the communication determines the level of intelligence. Scary to think of how AI could use a bandwidth 123890128390128390812390812903821903 times broader than human communication.

You people are religious

We evolved from apes tho.

That’s literally all they do lol

Right. The luddites have been given a bad name when it's capitalists who should be getting flak. They're exactly the same as people protesting across the world today for fairer wages etc.

"When everyone is rich, no one will be."

I cannot make claims about the future I do not know. That’s the problem with having principles and building on them. If I propose to end slavery in 1800s you’re objection to “who would pick the cotton!?” is not a rebuttal. And if I did somehow have a crystal ball saying giant machines would do it—1,000:1 people will be out of labor it would be so efficient you’d call for UBI then too. New horizons will be created. What they will be I cannot even begin to guess.

There is likely some tech that mirrors they way biology/muscles work and are powered that will be in our future, don't know the time horizon, it may only be a breakthrough or two away

Flowery bullshit isn’t an argument. This sub has become a joke.

Just as we as human was created by God in his image.

AI is created by human in our image.

When I read your title I thought "yeah, right. well let's see if he has anything to say".

Then I quickly realized you were speaking some deep truths that are unfortunately depressing to think about. You're absolutely right, though.

It seems like most of the ways things could play out are not good for the human race. Feels like we're threading a needle.

OctopusBot 2030 begs to differ

I didn’t make a claim in this thread other than pointing out how often UBI is brought up as the defacto solution in this sub.

This is getting embarrassing. How are the top tech firms, Microsoft, Google and Apple not making these AI breakthroughs by themselves instead of a startup like OpenAI.

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Describe the world today in 1980. You cannot predict Reddit or Twitter. You cannot make the claims you’re making with any substantial certainty. Stop acting as if you know.

I am more afraid of bad people with pre-agi than of AGI itself.

I will ask you again what you're proposing as an alternative Mr. Big Brain McCapitalism.

If you believe in free market competition, and there comes a time when for any given job there is an AGI that can easily out-compete and given human applicant. What is the alternative? The bold words are supposed to help you piece this together. I'm not sure how I could be any more clear.

IF you think capitalism is the ideal economic model and it should be preserved for the foreseeable future.

You're either suggesting that for the foreseeable future, humans will be able to compete with an exponentially increasing artificial intelligence (that can already rival us in a lot of jobs).

OR you're suggesting that such an AI won't come to exist.

If you're not willing to concede that UBI is necessary in a post-AGI world, those are virtually the only logical conclusions you can be making. Are you going to elaborate or are you going to keep whining about how we all use the word "literally" or something else equally inane?

I’m curious what the economic system would be after many (most?) white collar jobs are eliminated? (This presumes that nearly all blue collar jobs will be lost to automation.)

I don’t disagree that capitalism is flawed, but it’s easy to say “get rid of it” and hard to say “here’s what replaces it.” Ubi? How do humans continue to create value in that scenario? This is an important question that nobody seems to have a plausible answer to.

How do you see it happening? What steps will it take?

One never knows when they’ll need a good and trusted lawyer…

He is a true futurist and I wouldn’t be surprised if he lurked here sometimes

I don't like him, or what he did to Labour, but he ain't wrong, here.

June 24th, 2026, lunch time.

Jokes aside, very soon, I think.

So that china can catch up.