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UndercoverTrumper t1_j3ms8ad wrote
>The Cards may be in rebuild mode soon.
We always are, always have been, and as long as Bidwill remains always will be
justabill71 t1_j3mshd0 wrote
Their decision to sign Murray to a terrible extension, when the writing was already clearly on the wall, will set them back a decade.
thesagaconts t1_j3mwqwb wrote
I get having a great QB. I just never saw Kylar as that guy.
thesagaconts t1_j3mx8lc wrote
Who is the best coach you’ve had? This comment reminded me that the Cards had a close loss in the Super Bowl.
sherestoredmyfaith t1_j3mxbaa wrote
Interesting see what happens to Kyler Murray
Krogsly t1_j3mxyb5 wrote
You went to the Super Bowl in 2009. As a Lions fan, respectfully, shut up. ;)
UndercoverTrumper t1_j3n05w9 wrote
I mean without a doubt Buddy Ryan was the best AZ coach ever....but we went there with Wisenhunt who just so happened to luck out on Fitz and Warner somehow at the perfect time cause he was NOT a great coach
UndercoverTrumper t1_j3n0fmi wrote
We were rebuilding from the Leinart + Kevin Kolb experiments at that point - somehow the stars aligned to have warner and fitz on the same team at the same time and kept them both healthy. we rebuilt for that one glorious season. that was it
but yeah all respect to the lions fans - you guys dont "rebuild" - you just kinda fester
blakevac t1_j3n0sch wrote
The cardinal curse?
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StrngBrew t1_j3n1cxo wrote
What a disaster of an organization
That one agent who has the trio of Keim, Kingsbury and Kyler pulled off one of the great heists in NFL history
StrngBrew t1_j3n1iw8 wrote
Presumably just continues to get paid a lot of money and be disliked by those around him!
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MaesterPraetor t1_j3n1mtb wrote
As a Steelers fan, our 8 game rebuild was devastating. I feel bad for so many other teams' fans now that we've felt their pain.
Krogsly t1_j3n1tbx wrote
True. There were many envious/incredulous Lions fans comparing the franchises after that year, like wtf?! They were supposed to be just like us!
Leroypipe69420 t1_j3n416m wrote
Sounds like a cheap higher for the Pats. What’s a job he has never done before? He can be in charge of that.
blindexhibitionist t1_j3n4b84 wrote
Watching Hard Knocks he’s definitely cringe. From his four agreements poster, to his speeches to the players, it just seemed like such canned motivational rah rah without being genuine. I don’t doubt he knows football but seeing the difference between him and Dan Campbell is just night and day.
neon_noodle_neighbor t1_j3n4kym wrote
Pats need an OC… believe Kingsbury was a backup QB in New England as well
Leroypipe69420 t1_j3n4rbd wrote
Yeah. So we will probably hire him as our team chaplain or nutrition coordinator
Yung_Corneliois t1_j3n7dam wrote
I’d throw Bruce Arians in there too. Brought them to a Super Bowl
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siddie75 t1_j3nb5yp wrote
So they’re going for Jim Harbaugh?
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dgtlfnk t1_j3ndt1l wrote
> …the team has existed for over 100 years.
Wait WHAT??
> The team was established in Chicago in 1898 as the Morgan Athletic Club, and joined the NFL as a charter member on September 17, 1920.[5] The Cardinals are the oldest continuously run professional football franchise in the United States,[2][7] as well as one of only two NFL charter member franchises still in operation since the league's founding, the other also from Chicago, the Chicago Bears (the Green Bay Packers were an independent team and did not join the NFL until a year after its creation in 1921).
Well damn. TIL.
B33Man88 t1_j3needt wrote
I doubt he knows football either.
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B33Man88 t1_j3nesoz wrote
Does he get any of the money remaining on his contract?
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Destrucct t1_j3nff1h wrote
Kyler Murray has never been a good QB. Next season might be his last in AZ.
ThaUniversal t1_j3ng40u wrote
How much money does Kingsbury get out of this?
blindexhibitionist t1_j3nh2i3 wrote
You don’t become an NFL head coach without knowing football. Now, his ability to hire other good coaches to his staff, be a good leader are all definitely up for discussion. I like to think of it like Brian Scalabrini. People would think he’s a scrub but dude was one of the best 400ish hundred basketball players in the world. Same with NFL head coaches. And the fact he was a qb before hand.
ButtBuster99 t1_j3nhonq wrote
ABOUT TIME
ButtBuster99 t1_j3nhwxw wrote
Idk if we have ever NOT been in rebuild mode lol. Last year was our one lucky shot and cliff blew and Kyler turned into an absolute diva
jeffh4 t1_j3ni2ux wrote
They'll have to fight the Broncos for him.
drdrillaz t1_j3nik5b wrote
The Bidwells may be the worst owners in all of professional sports. They don’t know how to run a football team after 90 years of futility. They’re cheap. They don’t know football. They hire incompetent people who don’t know football. They have a history of poor contracts. They are the armpit of the nfl. Kingsbury is gone but the next coach will likely be no more successful. Nobody thinks Vance Joseph is the answer outside the Cardinals decision makers. The Hopkins and Murray contracts will hamper their future. They lack depth at every position.
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ThunderBobMajerle t1_j3nizzz wrote
During a dumpster fire, usually the approach is fire your coach first, give the underperforming “star” another season under a different coach. Then evaluate
Delicious-Picture995 t1_j3njcw4 wrote
No he didn’t, the furthest they got with Arians was a trouncing by the Panthers in the NFC championship. Still, he’s my favorite cardinals coach of all time
jdbolick t1_j3njwh0 wrote
Remember that Kingsbury had a losing record as a collegiate head coach. His appointment by the Cardinals was widely scorned.
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drdrillaz t1_j3nknxo wrote
It was one of the worst Super Bowl teams ever. I believe they were 9-7 with a negative point differential
blindexhibitionist t1_j3nkxqj wrote
I’m not saying he’s good coach. But saying he doesn’t know football seems a bit hyperbolic
drdrillaz t1_j3nkzkh wrote
To be fair, i just wish the Lions could win a playoff game. The Super Bowl is a pipe dream
grifttu t1_j3nl4ut wrote
As a Red Raider, I never understood how he leveraged a losing record at Tech into a head coaching job in the NFL.
I was even in the camp that if he had one more season, and no QB injuries, he was on the cusp of finally turning it around. But he didn't do anything to make me think "oh yea, totally NFL HC material"
njm1314 t1_j3nl6rg wrote
Shocking that the guy who was a failure at the college level wasn't a success at the professional level. I mean who saw that coming?
drdrillaz t1_j3nlje9 wrote
All of it
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Kenny--Blankenship t1_j3nmh4g wrote
"Minister of calf rubs"...he is a shoe in up here
CallofBootyCrackOps t1_j3nmvhy wrote
yes, he gets all of it. coaches do not count against the salary cap for the team though so that’s why no one is talking about it. when your pockets are as deep as an NFL owner’s paying out Kingsbury’s full contract is a drop in the bucket. so that’s why it’s easy to cut ties right after signing a big contract
UtesDad t1_j3nn8sp wrote
Hopkins is the main reason the Cardinals seemed to have a chance. Without him, Kingsbury and Murray would have been exposed for the underwhelming coach/QB that they are a lot sooner.
I don't have it in front of me, but the stats and W/L when he plays vs when he's injured is astounding.
unrealjoe28 t1_j3nnzjz wrote
Fuckers stole an NFL title from my Pottsville maroons. Until they return that title they’ll never win a super bowl. NEVER.
TheRealGeitro t1_j3no6r8 wrote
It can happen. Steve Nash is a good example, he had no business becoming a head coach. With Lampard at Chelsea too
dgtlfnk t1_j3nocfh wrote
I read this in an ol’ timey film actor’s voice. Just needed a couple “See?’s” and “,that’s what’s”. Lol!
MeatballDom t1_j3nohkb wrote
Getting paid until 2027 but not having to do any of the work after 2022? "How unfortunate for me" - Kliffleberry
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517UATION t1_j3normu wrote
Probably because he coached Mahomes in college. That probably gave him way more credit than he deserved.
DiscombobulatedWavy t1_j3nowke wrote
Hi fellow Red Raider. Aside from leveraging the Tech job into an NFL job,he also burned USC before taking the Cardinals gig. By no means am I a USC lover, but they don’t fuck around when it comes to the reputation of their football program. Or at least I thought they didn’t, until they went around chasing this guy.
ispeakdatruf t1_j3np2uu wrote
All of it.
chomerics t1_j3nprid wrote
Say hello to the new Pats D-coordinator.
PooperJackson t1_j3nq1bx wrote
How many chances has he had at this point to be "evaluated"
just1gat t1_j3nroim wrote
MMMMYEAH!
ThunderBobMajerle t1_j3nsgig wrote
Zero without Kliff. Imo Kyler isnt good, but hes way more expensive than Kliff, so you gotta eliminate one variable first before cutting both. Right now the Cards are praying a change in scheme does the trick. Small chance
silversurfer-1 t1_j3ntn7d wrote
Interesting to see what happens to Veronica
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skeeve87 t1_j3nxwp8 wrote
His modern warfare rank goes up.
grynch43 t1_j3nybx2 wrote
It’s the Hard Knocks curse. Frank Reich was featured on Hard Knocks last year and didn’t even make through this whole season.
grynch43 t1_j3nyffg wrote
And the Colts.
cbreezy456 t1_j3nyuk7 wrote
Yes you do. The NFL and College is fuckin rife with nepotism
Imaksiccar t1_j3nze8r wrote
Just for comparative reference, the Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 head coaches since 1969.
MarijadderallMD t1_j3o25ke wrote
But… they did win a Super Bowl😅
bjams t1_j3o3ooe wrote
> I was even in the camp that if he had one more season, and no QB injuries, he was on the cusp of finally turning it around. But he didn't do anything to make me think "oh yea, totally NFL HC material"
Agreed. All for the best though, McGuire, Kittley and DeRuyter seem to be building something pretty solid.
unrealjoe28 t1_j3o5h7n wrote
Oh wow TIL the Cardinals won the super bowl
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Your_Fan_Shran t1_j3o67en wrote
They originally wore old hand-me-down jerseys from the University of Chicago Maroons, which after having been washed too many times had faded to become… cardinal red.
“Professional” football teams were not the main attraction back then.
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Mcjoshin t1_j3o7dtr wrote
Yup, watching Hard Knocks Detroit vs Arizona, it was clear within in 5 minutes Kliff is one of their biggest problems. He’s more interested in being liked than winning. He holds no one accountable and it’s always just “good try guys, just keep doing what you’re doing”. Great attitude for little league participation trophies. Not great for a NFL coach trying to win.
Yung_Corneliois t1_j3o8t5e wrote
And Michigan
heman81 t1_j3o8xsk wrote
9 million a year for 3 more years.
Sheik1771 t1_j3oawpv wrote
Worst. Franchise. Ever.
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skindarklikemytint t1_j3obzqn wrote
Cries in Commanders
Burquetap t1_j3oc0q7 wrote
This is a serious reflection upon how inept the Bidwell family is in running a professional franchise. The only current NFL owners to not have made riches outside of football and it shows. I’ve said this before and I’ll reiterate again: the Cardinals will never be successful under Bidwell ownership.
BigPooser t1_j3ocshf wrote
Michigans just keeping the seat warm for the next guy with this stuff popping up every year now
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Available-Camera8691 t1_j3oe26q wrote
Dan Campbell is such a great coach. Last nights game was the most entertaining game of the season for me. I'm stoked for Lions fans, even though they didn't make the playoffs. They have a lot to look forward to in the future.
Bumblebeee_tuna_ t1_j3oetpl wrote
I was thinking Sean Payton
spidermonkey301 t1_j3oezy7 wrote
Please next coach fired be Scott Turner
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BlakJak_Johnson t1_j3ohft2 wrote
Funny how that’s his NFL story too.
B33Man88 t1_j3ojaa6 wrote
I’m not saying he’s unfamiliar with the game, but if Kyle Shanahan is on one end of the strategic spectrum Kliff is somewhere closer to the other end.
B33Man88 t1_j3ojqfp wrote
Good for him. I was worried he’d have to sell his sterile empty house in paradise valley.
spermdonor t1_j3om17h wrote
He's so adorable though
Vanetics t1_j3omny3 wrote
Still can’t believe people actually thought Kyler would be an NFL super star lmfaooo
RasixF13 t1_j3ongbw wrote
Apparently he gets input on the new coach. Swell.
RasixF13 t1_j3onskb wrote
Nah. We’re going all in with our living embodiment of sunk cost fallacy.
AbeLincoln30 t1_j3onujx wrote
yep... if only stupid owners could fire themselves lol
blindexhibitionist t1_j3oo5op wrote
Totally agree. I don’t think he is a good coach at all. And by coach I mean someone who has all the pieces (football knowledge, flexibility, leadership). I was just commenting about his football knowledge. He probably has forgotten more than any fan will know.
blindexhibitionist t1_j3oon9g wrote
Oh I don’t argue that knowledge equates to success. My point was just that the statement “he doesn’t know x” is hyperbolic and isn’t true. Coaching is a lot more than x’s and o’s
AbeLincoln30 t1_j3ooqaw wrote
>The only current NFL owners to not have made riches outside of football
wait what? if you don't count inheritance as making riches, there is a long list... and unsurprisingly the list is loaded with losers. Lions, Raiders, Chargers, Colts for example
These teams are all doomed because they are competing against organizations run by guys who actually know how to run organizations
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terry_bradshaw t1_j3otwyv wrote
The anti Steelers of coaching stability
CUREAZGEORGE t1_j3otzb8 wrote
The WOAT of nfl teams and I’m a fan.
MarijadderallMD t1_j3oviq9 wrote
Oh wait shit, you’re right, they threw it away right at the end! Yikes, I really blocked that from my memory🤯
MarijadderallMD t1_j3ovoxf wrote
Ya no apparently I was so devastated that they threw it away at the end that I blocked it from my memory and misremembered😅
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tsx_1430 t1_j3oy5vm wrote
This is so dumb. If you get a shot in the NFL you take it. Especially as a head coach.
The1789 t1_j3oyeni wrote
They are who we thought they were.
Burquetap t1_j3oyfdr wrote
All the organizations/teams you mention have ownership that made money outside football, i.e. they have some sort of business savvy. The Bidwells do not, nor have they, had any business acumen, hence why they’ll never succeed much less have any lasting success.
DiscombobulatedWavy t1_j3oyq95 wrote
No one’s saying it wasn’t a smart move. But he did screw USC by accepting then taking the cardinals gig. And the comment wasn’t whether or not it was a smart move. It was to the fact that he seemed like a better coach than he was and is.
timothythefirst t1_j3oyrgt wrote
I’m almost 30 and they haven’t won one in my lifetime. It’s insane. It’s been 30 years with countless different coaches and players, and they’ve never even managed to be above average.
Ardan66 t1_j3ozwg0 wrote
I think we(they) are better off for missing. The season couldn't have ended better except for the Super Bowl. He said it in his 2nd quarter interview, "We don't want them to go."
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bw1985 t1_j3p17ua wrote
If we could all be so lucky. $27 million to sit at home for 3 years. It’s not like a normal person getting fired where they’re wondering how they’re gonna pay rent next month.
Available-Camera8691 t1_j3p34q3 wrote
I fuckin loved that. That was their super bowl.
AbeLincoln30 t1_j3p63zr wrote
Nah man... Mark Davis of the Raiders, Dean Spanos of the Chargers, Jim Irsay of the Colts all inherited everything they have from their fathers. Literally zero independent achievements in business. And their teams are all consistently garbage since they have established themselves as the leaders.
Fords who run the Lions inherited what they got from their freakin' great-grandfather... even worse. And there are plenty of other examples.
Meanwhile they are going up against dudes who personally made billions like Robert Kraft, Jeffrey Lurie and Stan Kroenke.
BigTomBombadil t1_j3p87zx wrote
But then Dan Campbell was on and took the lions to a winning record while becoming even more loved and respected.
Burquetap t1_j3p8deo wrote
All those dude’s dad’s had biz acumen, check the research. Cards have at least 3, if not 4, generations of living off of the franchise. I worked for the Cards for 4 seasons and know peeps that work there now. Believe me, I know.
ryeguymft t1_j3p912j wrote
Kliff is a fraud, and the NFL finally got wise
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BigTomBombadil t1_j3pa049 wrote
Acl injury really isn’t that serious in this day and age, at least as far as long term effects are concerned. Burrows injury was considerably worse and it’s not like Kyler is old.
2nilbog t1_j3pacek wrote
I was gonna correct you and assumed you meant O-coordinator. But given Belichick’s recent hiring practices it’s a possibility lol
rdldr1 t1_j3pc0cg wrote
More like the Arizona Wanderers.
blindexhibitionist t1_j3pdc2b wrote
At the same time Saban and Meyer failed as well. I hear what you’re saying but I don’t know if there’s a correlation there. I think at the time part of the idea was that he had experience running the type of offense the nfl was trying to switch too and he had experience with qbs who went on to be successful in the nfl. I do remember at the time there was questions about the hiring. I don’t know enough about football to fully understand it. But I don’t think his college winning percentage is necessarily one of those factors. I’m trying to think of other college coaches who had success in the nfl. Erickson did decent. Jimmy Johnson did really well. Belichick was an assistant in college. Schiano was shit. Louisville guy was a trash human. Was Mora college first? Anywho it’s an interesting thought experiment about what makes a college coach do well in the pros.
blindexhibitionist t1_j3pdkdh wrote
But do you really think they concurrently don’t know about football?
RecordReviewer t1_j3pdn35 wrote
The Arizona Cardinals are actually older than the state of Arizona.
War-eaglern t1_j3pfqs5 wrote
Don’t forget the Bengals owner
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AbeLincoln30 t1_j3phvc1 wrote
Yeah the dads hade acumen, of course. But the dads are long dead. Now the sons are owners, and they're predictably terrible.
But I agree with you, Cards situation is one of the worst because of the multiple generations
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Doggleganger t1_j3pzg27 wrote
I don't think he's going to have long-term success in the NFL, but he's gonna leave behind an exciting sizzle reel.
njm1314 t1_j3q0wn6 wrote
Well that's the kicker though. Even guys who had massive success in college fail sometimes in the NFL. Nobody to my knowledge who was a clear failure in college however was a success in the pros, at least not in half a century.
Almost every coach has spent some time at the college level.
LordRobin------RM t1_j3q6adv wrote
Interesting. Somehow I’d gotten it into my head that the original meaning of the name was cardinals as in bishops. But that may actually be true. The Cardinals wear red and white, the same two colors as a Catholic cardinal.
futureformerteacher t1_j3q6uva wrote
That's what he gets for spelling Cliff wrong.
Your_Fan_Shran t1_j3q7j8q wrote
The color Catholic Cardinals wear is scarlet, which symbolizes the blood of Christ. It’s a different shade of red than what the football cardinals wear.
As I said above, the Chicago Cardinals got their name from the color of the faded jerseys:
>In 1898, Chicago painting and building contractor Chris O'Brien established an amateur Chicago-based athletic club football team named the "Morgan Athletic Club". O'Brien later moved them to Chicago's Normal Park and renamed them the "Racine Normals", since Normal Park was located on Racine Avenue in Chicago. In 1901, O'Brien bought used maroon uniforms from the University of Chicago, the colors of which had by then faded, leading O'Brien to exclaim, "That's not maroon; it's cardinal red!" It was then that the team changed its name to the "Racine Street Cardinals".[1]
venk t1_j3qfxwx wrote
And my Axe
Bacon-Shorts t1_j3qyton wrote
Its crazy that an NFL team will fire a coach and that coach will still get a sizable chunk of their pay for not coaching, but if a player gets injured theres a high probability they are SOL.
Uffda01 t1_j3rrvhr wrote
no - the kicker is the guy who tries to put the ball through the goalposts.
_JonSnow_ t1_j3rse9q wrote
i want to be a fired head coach when I grow up
oatsack t1_j3rsiw6 wrote
Right you are. You know your nfl history. Also the OBrien brothers regular paying job was as house painters.
oatsack t1_j3rss51 wrote
Hey maybe some other team will want to hire Kingsbury and then the Cardinals won’t have to pay him. Right?
oatsack t1_j3rt0v4 wrote
Here’s an idea, Trade Kyler Murray to the Saint’s for Sean Oayton.
Delicious-Picture995 t1_j3tjjne wrote
Lmao delusional
lipp79 t1_j3xuva8 wrote
I think all the NFC playoff teams are glad they didn't make it. Yes, the Niners are good but with the momentum Detroit had, especially if Seattle had lost, beating GB would have been an unbelievable boost and they were going to be very dangerous.
lipp79 t1_j3xwfi4 wrote
After this season though, I think my Lions are on the upward. I've been a fan since the mid 80s when I was a kid. This is one of the toughest squads I've seen since the Sanders-era.
lipp79 t1_j3xx09l wrote
I'm 43 and the 1991 NFC Championship feels like a lifetime ago. I think we have a real shot next year though. Five of our losses this year were by one possession. We beat Aaron Rodgers twice. It feels like a different mentality. A couple years ago, they wouldn't have won this last game in GB. They would have fucked up that 4th down conversion. Goff has totally changed my feelings on him from the start of the season.
lipp79 t1_j3xy0yr wrote
8 game rebuild counts as feeling their pain? Is that pain because you haven't won a title since 2008? Maybe it's because you haven't had a losing season since 2003? You haven't felt shit. Please stop acting like that pain somehow is the same as ours.
~ a Lions fan.
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whatsthehappenstance t1_j3mqd4n wrote
He took the job as long as he was allowed to take Kyler Murray at #1 in the draft. Factoring his height and the seriousness of the leg injury, Murray may not be good for much longer. Look at Russell Wilson... a short QB that has lost a step when it comes to scrambling. Murray is even shorter and can't see over his OL's heads unless he drops back 7+ steps or gets outside. The Cards may be in rebuild mode soon.