As if the lines leaking out into the street from Chick-fil-A & Starbucks a little further up aren't bad enough, I imagine this is going to make this already congested area even more of a pain to drive in. Not to mention the popularity of Jefferson being a popular exit out of downtown, the school right there, and Bass Pro traffic just around the corner.

RIP people on jefferson being able to get out of their driveways.

I am really surprised by how these unwanted projects get pushed through and forced upon the community. The zoning board denied them the permit several times. And yet.

Being across from the school is my main concern. That's not to minimize any of the other issues, but that is what's most concerning to me.

Well… they aren’t unwanted.

Remember this crap when we vote in April. The mayor and other seats are up for grabs. In the developers versus neighborhoods war, they've clearly chosen a side.

And one of the leaders from the Galloway campaign is running. We need to get her on council.

Are all the carwashes they keep approving wanted?

Edit: but yes, plenty of people will be going there to get coffee.

7 brew is ass

The font on their signage makes it looks like "Semen Brew".

Oh, God. Don't get me started on the car washes.

Great. ANOTHER front for the rampant money laundering going on in Springfield.

This is behind a paywall for me. What changed from the last time they went to council?

There is a new car wash AND coffee place opening on Kearney. It's next to the other 2 car washes, just down from another opening soon.

Drug dealers need new places to launder their money!

Probably less local drug dealers and more foreign/out of state investors.

I think it is delicious, the blondie at least, but would love to try something even better. Where do you go that has better coffee when you're out and about? I hope it's not Classic rock because unless you get there in the early morning the only flavor they've had when I go is decaf and "house blend" which tastes like they dumped all the now stale shit left over from the morning into one pot.

If only we could get them to move it from this already extremely congested area to adjacent to the nice spacious shopping center where the Whataburger is going in on West sunshine just past Bypass. Have them put a Target in that big empty unused field next to it while they're at it. I'm tired of going to the SE side of town for things, lol. I'm sure they'd get plenty of business from all the basic white bitches down the road in Republic and my lame middle-aged fat-dad-ass would be right there with em.

I couldn't care less about this project, but where is development acceptable to you all? Only on the fringes of town, pushing urban sprawl even further? I don't remember the last proposal that was posted here favorably, even mixed-use projects this demographic claims to adore.

Yeah no for sure

I have nothing against 7 Brew, and I get they're probably filling a legit want. It's a little dispointing in a town with so many great local places, especially coffee shops, to see another chain put another spot in. Not hating just wish we could have seen that gap filled by something local (even if chains add jobs for locals).

But I get the drive through concept is different than what we've seen. Would have been cool if Dancing Mule, Travelers, Black Lab or any of those other staples filled that niche.

Typically I'm pretty anti-NIMBY, but development for the sake of development is also un-wise.

Outside of the tax revenue and a handful of jobs, what benefits will a coffee shop in this specific location provide that will offset the large number of negatives that it will bring?

I have been banging the second Target location drum for a lonnnnngggg time. It's ridic there isn't one in Ozark/Nixa and at least another in SGF.

I read that the owners were using the fact that Neighbor's Mill closed and heavily insinuating that the reason was they don't have a drive thru.

I'm not even particularly in favor of this project, but it feels like literally every proposal put forth is met with heaps of criticisms from this sub, from the Grant Ave parkway stuff to the unused space in Galloway to the National and Sunshine lots that aren't suitable in the slightest for housing anymore.

With the economic system we live in (which I'm not in favor of either, in the least) if a city isn't growing, it's dying. At the very least, I know I don't want to live in a dying city. But if all development stops, like it seems some here would prefer, that's where we'll be headed.

Edit: also, what negatives are you talking about? Increased congestion is about the only one I can think of, and even then Sunshine and Campbell is only really bad around 8am and 5 pm. The majority of the rest of the day it's fine.

I get it’s probably their “thing” to be friendly and social but every time I go there I swear one of the girls is practically inside of my car talking my ear off. Like actually inside my driver window, leaning on my car door and all

It’s not bad drinks but not good enough to be worth going through that painful interaction

I actively avoid sunshine at all hours of the day save for nighttime, I guess if you’re used to the congestion it may not be terrible but coming from other sides of town it’s a shitshow

Between chik-fil-a, Starbucks, canes, bass pro, parkview high school down the road, and all the other businesses? There’s no argument you could make in favor of putting more in this area outside of “I want coffee” that would make any sense. There’s plenty of other spots in town that would be able to better handle the extra traffic than an already-congested area

Again, I'm not arguing in favor of this project. It just doesn't matter where or what the project is. Just look at the Grant Avenue proposal backlash.

i make my own at home lmao

THAT TOO

How did the council vote? Can’t read due to pay wall. Who voted yes and who voted no?

Sadly, I know. I also belong to heart of the Westside.

tbh starbucks is way better than 7brew. but the best coffee shops imo are roots, kingdom, and big momma’s coffee.

I'm all for mixed-use development. In fact, I think the spot is great for a coffee shop. The issue for me, as well as the zoning commissioners and the majority of the surrounding neighborhood, is the drive-thru. Specifically, it's a very large drive-thru. We have already seen chic fil a's drive-thru cause congestion and accidents just down the road. The lot's size and location (across from an elementary school) just can't accommodate it. That's why it had a zoning restriction on it to begin with. A coffee shop or any other business without a drive-thru could have used the land without having to push it through countless zoning and council meetings. In the current case, the shop won't benefit and integrate with the actual community that will live around it. It's important to think about development in terms of placemaking. In other words, are we developing places we want to spend time in? Or are we developing disparate, quick destinations that you simply drive to and leave (drive-thru). That said, I understand that we don't attract a lot of fitting projects, so it feels like we are too picky and should settle for anything that feels like it could benefit the local economy even a little. However, these choices tend to haunt us when they become trends. And once the quick spurt it has on the economy tires out, the city still has to keep up with the surrounding infrastructure... and what are we left with? A chain drive-thru that employs a handful of people and makes it even harder for parents to walk their children to school?

https://www.ky3.com/2023/01/10/springfield-city-council-approves-permit-allow-7-brew-location-e-sunshine/ What changes is the city is now paying for a median :(

Edit: I'm not sure the median will happen. But it's on the city's dime if it does.

Hey look! A thoughtful, comprehensive response!

Again, I'm not trying to argue for this particular project. But when the same reasons get trotted out for the opposition to every single development project, often immediately after mourning the lack of mixed-use development, it gets old.

Not saying you did that here, it's just the majority of the arguments I see.

Here is an article without a paywall. It lists the council votes, too.

"Three councilmembers — Monica Horton, Criag Hosmer, and Mike Schilling — remained OPPOSED to the project. Councilwoman Heather Hardinger was not present for the vote"

Also, it was proposed that the city put up a median, but I don't think it's happening. If it does, the city has to pay for it.

One last note:

"Councilman Schilling said he fears the "Glenstone-ification" of that primarily residential stretch of Sunshine Street."

I’ve heard rumors of a mini target near that location which like…. Ok??? Who is asking for that?

The fields behind Walmart that are currently under construction are going to be another ill-placed and overpriced subdivision

All bow to the all mighty dollar I guess. I wish we could be okay with spaces in the city just being grass but apparently a coffee shop in view of a Starbucks is exactly what this city needs instead. Can't wait for the 10's of high paying definitely not minimum wage jobs this will create. A boost to the economy for sure. When it closes in 3 years we might get lucky and it'll turn into a revolving used car dealership

See my other comment. I added a free article.

Horton, Schilling, and Horner in opposition. Hardinger absent.

Really? That sucks. Do you know what's going on next to the Ulta in that strip??

Are you a fan of darker roasts? Most of the people I know that enjoy Starbucks tend to prefer a darker roast, but to me, it just tastes like burnt coffee. I prefer a light-medium roast. That said, I have not tried those other places and will have to seek them out in the near future.

Yea, I usually do as well. It feels like a waste to buy coffee from places like that often, they're so expensive compared to what it costs to make coffee. I only go there when I have a lot of errands to run and want some coffee halfway through.

to what end?

terrible council

I don’t know about that one

Won’t do a thing. Anyone who runs is backed by the Chamber of Commerce. They’re the true power in this city. Council and mayor are just puppets.

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So they just got tired of voting on it? Or did someone(s) get paid?

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I think their coffee is bad...

To all.the nimbys, what else should they do with the corner..should they put a house there and also on to match the corner at sunshine and national? Those would be houses no one would want to live in.

Kingdom is legit third-wave lighter roasts. Pretty amazing coffee there. Polar opposite of Charbucks.

If there is any place that needs four lanes of traffic, its a lot across the street from a school.

Ooh I will definitely have to go there. Any menu recommendations?

It’s a third wave coffee place in the vein of Ethic, Architect, etc. The focus is on the coffee itself, not the creative drinks. Go for the espresso drink that fits your espresso:milk ratio preference (I’m a cappuccino guy) or if you like brewed coffee, a pour-over.

That said, they usually have a couple of seasonal drinks on their menu worth checking out. Every now and then, I’ll get their lavender-honey iced latte thing.

The breakfast burritos are amazing. I actually prefer the vegetarian one.

The issue is with the drive through. A cafe/restaurant people have to park and go in would fine. From my understanding this wasn't zoned for a drive through.

Of course. I understand. It's really hard to articulate that I'm not a NIMBY while being super selective about local development.

Glad i moved out of Cambridge park was pissed when they built the 7 brew there.

Calm your shit about the drive thru. They don't sell chicken so its gonna be fine.

That's a reasonable point.

It's numbers, demographics, and market research.

Things get built in locations that meets those metrics. It would make money where you're talking, but obviously they've crunched their numbers and this is the location that makes sense. Otherwise they wouldn't have fought so damn hard.

My guess is that they're trying to cluster themselves near Starbucks in town. Starbucks also has big money to do all that research, then just copy what they do, while also using clustering.

Yes!!! There are so many neighborhoods to the west of West Bypass and no nearby coffee. Trailer Perk coffee is opening a permanent location on Chestnut, across from Missouri Mikes. But there’s so much space near Bypass and Sunshine. Plus tons of people commuting in from Republic, Aurora, etc.