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KSRandom195 t1_j74njna wrote

Reply to comment by I_ONLY_PLAY_4C_LOAM in ChatGPT: Use of AI chatbot in Congress and court rooms raises ethical questions by mossadnik

Everyone will say this about their pet industry.

“Clearly my industry is harder than all the others because <reason>.”

No, your pet industry isn’t special, it will either be replaced or not like all the others.

Being a technical person, I don’t think AI is where it needs to be yet to replace practically any industries. If I’m wrong, it’s not really a problem I was going to be able to deal with anyway.

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demonicneon t1_j74p1a9 wrote

It’s still very much a tool.

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KSRandom195 t1_j74p4uz wrote

As a tool I see great potential. As a replacement I do not.

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I_ONLY_PLAY_4C_LOAM t1_j74rg37 wrote

Having actually worked in legal technology, I'm honestly not sure what this does for existing lawyers. As I said before, legal documents require extremely specific and precise language. Lawyers are likely to have templates for common documents their firms create, and anything beyond that requires actually knowing about law, which LLMs like ChatGPT are not capable of. The actual money to be made in legal technology is not in generative AI, but in document processing and search. Lawyers are increasingly having to deal with hundreds of gigabytes or even terabytes of documents in a given case. Ocr, which is also AI and is seeing in use in the industry, makes handwriting searchable. Advanced search techniques make legal review, the real driver of cost in the legal industry, faster and cheaper. Making legal arguments in court is not the reason why interaction with the legal system can be so expensive.

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Fake_William_Shatner t1_j77p3ko wrote

>legal documents require extremely specific and precise language.

Which computer software is really good at -- even before the improvements of AI.

>and anything beyond that requires actually knowing about law, which LLMs like ChatGPT are not capable of.

Yeah, lawyers memorize a lot of stuff and go to expensive schools. That doesn't mean it's actually all that complicated relative to programming, creating art or designing a mechanical arm.

I agree that document processing and search are going to see a lot of growth with AI. But being able to type in a few details about a case and have a legal document created, a discovery, and a bulk of all the bread and butter that is using the same templates over and over again with a few sentences changing -- that's going to be AI.

Most of what paralegals and lawyers do is repetitive and not all that creative.

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I_ONLY_PLAY_4C_LOAM t1_j74pox9 wrote

This attitude that tech bros have about disrupting industries they don't actually understand or know anything about is pretty funny sometimes.

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Fake_William_Shatner t1_j77pz70 wrote

"Tech bros"? There are AI developers. If they team with some lawyers to double-check and they get good case law data -- I can guarantee you it isn't a huge jump to create a disruptive AI based on that.

Revisit these comments in about a year. The main thing that will hinder AI in the legal world is humans suing it to not be allowed. Of course, all those attorneys will use it and then proof the output. And sign their names. And appear in court with nice suits and make deals. And they won't let AI be used in court because it is not allowed. For reasons.

The excuse that it can give an inaccurate result does put people at risk, so more effort is required for accuracy. But, AI will be able to pass the Bar exam easier than beat a human at chess.

It's not funny, but sad, that people are trying to convince themselves this is more complicated than writing a novel or creating art.

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I_ONLY_PLAY_4C_LOAM t1_j77zlt0 wrote

RemindMe! one year

Has the machine consciousness supplanted the fleshy meat bags in the legal industry.

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Fake_William_Shatner t1_j78fcnq wrote

No -- I didn't say it would replace them. The legal system won't allow it.

I'm saying it will be used to create legal documents and win cases -- albeit with the pages printed out before they go in the courthouse.

This isn't about the acceptance, but the capabilities. If there is one group that can protect their industry it's the justice system.

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