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Tell-Relative t1_isbfn4g wrote

Ok i get that we hate apple as acompany but i don't get why they are fined

Like they can sell what they want. Don't like it dont buy

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breadexpert69 t1_isbjv14 wrote

“the judge in charge of the case called the non-inclusion of chargers in phone purchases an "abusive practice" that "requires consumers to purchase a second product in order for the first to work." Apple has been at odds with Brazilian authorities over the issue for a while now. In 2021, São Paulo consumer protection agency Procon-SP fined Apple around $2 million for removing the power adapter from the iPhone 12, telling the company that it was in violation of Brazil's Consumer Defense Code.”

Basically, consumer protection rights are different in every country

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epelle9 t1_isbjcmr wrote

I’m pretty sure there must be some law (at least in some countries) that the product you sell must be functional by itself.

A phone is not really functional without a charger, so it could be illegal to sell it without it.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbkt10 wrote

I should be able to sell my stuff right? As long as you know what you're buying and there are no surprises.

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WayEducational2241 t1_isbl1ft wrote

No you can't sell stuff that doesn't work in most countries lol.

There are regulations so people can't sell broken shit.

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Tell-Relative t1_isblgzq wrote

You know thats bs too so come on man . "Stuff that dont work " It works just fine just buy a charger

These sobs do 1000 wrong things and this is the one tgey take issue with. Some bs if you ask me

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WayEducational2241 t1_isblzrl wrote

I'm literally a consumer protection lawyer.

This is not the one thing people take issue with there's thousands of regulations in any given country to protect you mf.

Apple knew ahead of time cause they pay 100s of Millions in legal fees for every country and they just decided they don't care.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbml3m wrote

Fuck apple and fuck the bs laws if even a supposed lawyer can't justify them

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TheCozierDaemon t1_isblr1r wrote

One would argue that an average person would expect an electronic product like a cell phone to come with everything it needs to be operated normally. If it doesn't come with a charger, you cannot operate it normally.

It should come with a fucking charger or at least give you an option to opt out if you already have one.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbmb20 wrote

Ypu knwo whats in the box . This ain't a surprise purchase.

And they do have an option to opt out its called not buying

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TheCozierDaemon t1_isbmtj4 wrote

And one could argue that unless it has a big old DOES NOT COME WITH A CHARGER on the box or whoever is selling you the phone tells you that it doesn't come with a charger it might very well be a surprise that an electronic device that needs to be charged doesn't come with a way to charge it in the box like just about every other piece of consumer electronics out there.

You're basically arguing against consumer protections here, which is always very cool.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbnqrk wrote

You buy something spend 10 seconds to see whatsin the box . Plus tge employees will tell you and will sell you the charger

And this ain't costumer protection .just politicians and companies playing touch ass

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epelle9 t1_isbmu31 wrote

Lets say I say I will sell you a car.

You buy it from me, pay me, and then once receive the car you realize it comes with no engine. Then I try to sell you the engine for more money.

I can totally see you suing me (and winning) unless I explicitly stated its an incomplete car and requires you to also purchase your own engine (or already have one).

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Tell-Relative t1_isbnft7 wrote

This is a good example and i agree with you here bc you can't trick or surprise people. But when you can see what's in the box and there is ko trick or surprise here then i have no problem with it

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epelle9 t1_isbnoc9 wrote

So here, what I think would be surprising for most people is to buy a phone and have it not come with a charger.

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Powered_by_bots t1_isbk0fb wrote

Brazil has a law stating all devices must come with a charger. The government told Apple before selling new iPhones; multiple times. Apple decided not to listen.

So, fuck Apple.

Brazil should of charged them 3 trillion dollars.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbky48 wrote

That law makes no sense to me .

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Powered_by_bots t1_isbld82 wrote

Must laws don't make sense.

I think issue is Apple blatantly chose disregard Brazil established laws. Apple disrespected Brazil & thought themselves to be above the law.

So, Brazil bitch slap Apple.

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TheCozierDaemon t1_isblusw wrote

> Must laws don't make sense.

I mean most of them do. Might not make sense to you, but they're usually made to make sense. Usually.

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breadexpert69 t1_isblmpb wrote

It would if you were poor in a country where things like chargers can cost double due to import fees.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbm13n wrote

Poor people aint buying overpriced apple phones dude

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breadexpert69 t1_isbnklx wrote

But they are. I live in South America. If you go to the rural areas where people dont even have reliable electricity or even water, one thing they will have are smartphones, and many of them do have iphones.

I dont expect you to believe me, but I live here and see it first hand.

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Tell-Relative t1_isbnxd7 wrote

I believe you but if you buy an iphone you cant complain to me about not having money for a charger. Just buy something cheaper which is what the rest of us do all the time.

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Mrepman81 t1_isblc63 wrote

Really think about what you’re saying and how silly this all is. How are you going to sell an electronics product without any way to charge/keep it powered other than to buy an additional item.

I mean if their intent is to cut down on waste and product then at least include a voucher or something to acquire a charger if a customer needs one but to not have one at all as a option is plain ridiculous.

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Tell-Relative t1_isblrw7 wrote

Whos forcing you yo buy this crappy overpriced shitty phone thats made by slave labor

If they wanna sell their shit they should. Dont like it dont buy it.

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breadexpert69 t1_isbm1fi wrote

So with your theory. If someone wants to sell meth “they should”?

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Tell-Relative t1_isbmg53 wrote

If you have to argue apple=meth you have no point

Ridiculous

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