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Wow sap still exists?!?

It's a very well used Preventative Maintenance program for planning and scheduling

SAP is actually quite common in manufacturing environments.

But remember, there is no recession

Running strong still, as weird as it might seem

Actually you should be saying "wow oracle still exists!" Or " JDE still exists" because SAP has taken over the market in that software area

Here in Ontario (Canada), manufacturers use it, hospitals, government and box stores like home depot, just a few examples

> Actually you should be saying "wow oracle still exists!

Oracle NetSuite has grown its customer base from 11,000 customers in 2016 to over 27,000 customers in 2022.

SAP S/Hana is the leading ERP in large environments. It's used by Walmart, Exxon, Apple, Boeing, Chevron, Ford, GM, Costco, Alphabet (Google) among many others.

I think we need to shut down all technology H1-B visas then. They seem to have plenty of people that they can lay off so we don’t need to be bringing new people in.

IBM is developing some new tech now?

And its implementation at Aldi Lidl was halted after spending €500 million

https://www.henricodolfing.com/2020/05/case-study-lidl-sap-debacle.html?m=1

Edit: wrong German store

How does H1b come into picture here? Not all H1bs are employed in tech. People are losing their jobs, and your first thought is to kick them out??

It specifically says we sight down technology H1-Bs. No new ones at least. People already here can have theirs renewed.

They tried a few years ago to get AI/Computer Vision to detect cancer in medical imagery, but failed to be better than actual doctors.

Womp womp

The rest of the economy can easily absorb these layoffs. I work in web development and online marketing and literally every company needs tech people nowadays.

Let me know if you need a job

The IBM cuts were a planned reduction they started when they spun off Kyndryl in 2021, but I guess that doesn't add to the "Everyone in IT is suddenly getting fired!" hype.

It was Lidl and the article has a very nice synopsis. What Went Wrong

The problems arose when Lidl discovered that the SAP system based it's inventory on retail prices, where Lidl was used to do that based on purchase prices. Lidl refused to change both her mindset and processes and decided to customise the software. That was the beginning of the end.

That's something so basic and fundamental that it must have poped up in the first workshops and they decided to adapt a standard software in a fundamental way... That never works out well

If you're good enough you'll get a job.

If not, good luck.

Those visas are only for hard to fill positions, so it looks like they aren’t hard to fill anymore.

SAP is one of the most prevalent software companies in the world. Most people have probably used software sold by SAP or hosted by SAP at one time or another, even if you don't know it.

tHeY ToOk oUr jErBs!!!11

True I read a different article a while back and remember wrongly.

I was surprised just how little the SAP is a “program” and it seems more like a framework for SAP-consultants to fill out the blank canvas.

There even is a time registration module which I can say from experience is a bad port of an Excel sheet

>If you're good enough

appear good enough

ftfy

Shit you're right

We still won’t have enough people to fill tech roles. We’re not smart enough… don’t create enough. These people will find jobs no problem. Because these tech layoffs are all makeups for leadership failure and cheap money.

They artificially suppress wages.

I just don’t want it artificially suppressing wages. If there aren’t a lot of them, then they should be expensive.

You don't know what you're talking about. The median h1b wage is more than double that of the overall median. And that's not because employers love foreigners- it's because it's specifically for high demand categories that are hard to fill domestically. I have my (high paying) h1b job because I'm better at it than any American- not because I'm willing to work for peanuts.

Actually I work with several h1-b visa holders. If there is less of a certain skill than what is needed then the cost of that skill goes up. If we bring people in from other countries, it prevents that increase and also drains resources from other countries that could benefit from that person’s skills.

Sadly this whole thing is to artificially suppress wages and force those that remain to do more with less. Has nothing to do with the companies hurting.

Exactly, they find a way to bring more people in to keep the wages low. The real problem is it’s a brain drain in those countries. Many of them actually need highly educated and skilled people to stick around to build up their economies but the US takes many of them.

We complain a lot here about other countries having bad economies while we steal their highly educated and use them to keep our own wages lower.

You have your H1B job because your employer knows they have you over a barrel in a way they can’t reproduce with citizens. The notion you’re literally better at your job than every single American in your field is laughable hubris.

Lmao I've quit jobs without ever worrying about lining up the next one because demand is so high. Your perception that I'm some sort of sweatshop slave is pure copium- you'll swallow anything to let you continue believing that beig a 'native' immediately makes you better qualified than an immigrant.

> you’ll swallow anything to let you continue believing that beig (sic.) a ‘native’ immediately makes you better qualified than an immigrant.

Says the person who literally claimed they’re better at their job than an entire population containing over 300 million people. Someone is bogarting the copium here, but I don’t think it’s me.

Best of luck in the ongoing layoffs, friend. Let’s hope you don’t find out the hard way that the people whose boots you’re licking so intently don’t think you’re nearly as special as you do.

My competence is not a matter of faith- my paycheck is real. I've never met a high performing engineer who was afraid of foreign competition- because they likewise know that their skills will protect them. Cope :)

If you’re truly more talented than every single “native” SDE currently working in the US as you claimed, I should hope your pay is astronomical. I suspect though it’s about average though for the industry. As are you. Cope with that :)

lmao nice try but i don't need to flaunt my salary to some nativist yokel

The only person asserting that there’s a distinction between the capabilities of tech employees who are here on a visa and people who were born here is you. Having a solid enough understanding of macroeconomics to realize the increased supply of tech talent created by the H1B visa program depresses industry wages hardly makes me a nativist yokel. I’ll keep my thoughts on what your worldview says about you to myself :)