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tanman7x t1_j9r4d51 wrote

For anyone who hasn’t read the book or thinks this is unnecessary, in the book Pennywise & Derry have a very long history together and there are tons of great stories spanning hundreds of years in the town that would be great to see fleshed out. It definitely has the potential to be really good!

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PaulFThumpkins t1_j9rgzqn wrote

It was barely adapted at all for the movies IMO. There's so much more depth and potential to the story than made it to screen. Everybody just dumbs it down to "in the book there's a space turtle, lol, cocaine amiright?"

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Maninhartsford t1_j9rlwul wrote

I often see people ignoring 99.6 percent of the book and trying to use that one scene, you know the scene, to passive aggressively accuse King of being a pedophile.

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-FeistyRabbitSauce- t1_j9rq1z8 wrote

You can have zero discussion about Stephen King or any of his works on Reddit without that scene being prevalent in the thread. It's fucking rediculous - the accusations they throw his way most especially.

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Maninhartsford t1_j9rsdnc wrote

Same goes with LOST. You could be talking about a prop in season 2 and someone will bring up purgatory. But yeah it's absurd. "Horror writer writes disturbing scene" is NOT EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING

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TatteredCarcosa t1_j9s28yi wrote

Even though Purgatory is not what the ending was about...

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Maninhartsford t1_j9s9gqe wrote

Yes, you're right, of course, but that's what people always want to talk about. It's an irritatingly persistent rumor, and remarkable how much nobody remembers the character explicitly saying the island was real.

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05110909 t1_j9tvej6 wrote

I'm pretty confident that most of the people who say that have never actually watched the show. Because I refuse to believe someone could be dumb enough to believe it when an important character virtually looks directly into the camera to say "Everything that happened on the Island really happened."

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ringobob t1_j9u0yor wrote

Well, sorta - the writers confused the issue by making purgatory relevant to the last season when it wasn't before. Had they not done that, a lot fewer people would be confused.

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TatteredCarcosa t1_j9udnpu wrote

Eh, if you have watched 6 seasons of a show and you can't be bothered to actually pay attention to the dialog in the last episode that is on you.

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ringobob t1_j9u0n8p wrote

Most people who talk about it likely haven't read it. Even the scene, let alone the entire book.

It's a weird scene, don't get me wrong. It's used as a metaphor for transitioning from childhood to the next stage of life, in order to separate them from IT's influence. Probably better ways to have done that, but it was part of Bev's story, to be thinking along those lines, and that fits.

The entire end of the book goes so far off the deep end, that honestly this scene doesn't even really stand out.

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reece1495 t1_j9u8g24 wrote

And ironically now it’s a part of this thread

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PM_ME_CAKE t1_j9u848a wrote

Just imagine if people actually read through a full series like The Dark Tower. That scene is sure, a topic, but if they remotely knew Susannah's arc they'd be flying.

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Ckck96 t1_j9vtdga wrote

That annoys me so much. It’s such a good read, and every time it comes up in conversation, people reduce it to a misconception of what amount to like a page or two in the book.

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horseren0ir t1_j9sncqo wrote

Space turtle?

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PaulFThumpkins t1_j9tzuo4 wrote

In the book Pennywise is more of an elemental force corrupting the town, and there's a good force (represented as a space turtle) trying to help the kids defeat him.

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Gymrat777 t1_j9s6ctg wrote

You show some respect! That space turle is Gan!

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GarlVinland4Astrea t1_j9thvmn wrote

Actually it's not. The turtle dies in IT. It's heavily implied that there is another force beyond the turtle (the creator) and IT (the destroyer) who is guiding the kids.

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its_justme t1_j9tppzx wrote

The turtle Maturin is a guardian of the Beam like Shardik the bear. I wonder if turtle died as a result of the Breakers or just something else.

I think King mentioned there’s a guardian and a demon on each Beam, It could have been that Beams guardian.

Also Dandelo was likely a spawn or relation of It as well.

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Gymrat777 t1_j9tis59 wrote

Well... I guess I'll just shut up and go read the book then...

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MasterofPandas1 t1_j9urjo9 wrote

It’s been awhile but isn’t the Turtle in Desperation as well and helps whoever (forget the character’s name) seal away Tak?

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ParkerZA t1_j9utqer wrote

Now that's a book just itching for an adaption. Tak is one of King's scariest monsters.

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MasterofPandas1 t1_j9uqlfu wrote

I mean to be fair the book is 1000+ pages long. Would loved to have seen some of that existential philosophicalness at the end of the movies with the turtle though.

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PaulFThumpkins t1_j9usni0 wrote

I can't find it right now but there was a selection from an earlier version of the script which absolutely nailed the cosmic horror element of the story absent from the copy-of-a-copy Stranger Things treatment we got. It would have gotten a terrible Cinemascore rating and been limited to cult classic status though.

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omnilynx t1_j9rku6v wrote

That lumberjack bar fight stuck with me.

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insane__knight t1_j9sjt9o wrote

Now that I know this I love the idea of each season being set in drastically different time periods.

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antiMATTer724 t1_j9sfx3f wrote

I really hope we get to see Mike's dad beat the shit out of Bower's dad. Or was it the grandfather?

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ringobob t1_j9u1ps0 wrote

Yeah, was gonna say essentially this. There's tons of potential for stories to be told, either that were in the book and cut out of one or both of the movies, or hinted at that could be fully fleshed out, or even existing in the massive expanses of time that the book just skips over.

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