Cool

Ok? Why do I care about his opinion? Could be biased.

I had no idea this show existed until I found like three seasons of it on hbo max.

it used to be on epix so i think that's why more people are finding out about it

....That of the co-showrunner of Pennyworth, and former sole showrunner of Gotham?

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What?

Should’ve kept Alfred too

I knew it was out there, but never knew in what. Have absolutely binged the first 2 seasons. If I had to guess where this show went simply on the premise, I would be wrong a million times over

Asking the hard questions! (the fuck are you on about?)

Ha. He was a swell young actor, but he looked ridiculous as Batman.

Yeah there was no way he was passing as someone almost on his 30s. And then the suit being terrible on top of that didn't help either.

I think he did the voice for the final episode, they should have just done that and kept him as a silhouette.

yeah i was waiting for it to come back i never heard epix saying about it then i found out it went to hbo and yes it's been going so different since it started

It really feels like Gotham walked so that Pennyworth could run and actually be a damn good show

Gotham was such a fun show. I love that it never took itself too seriously and really embraced the craziness and violence of the comics. I also think it had some of the best adaptations of the villains I've seen. Ever since I was a kid, Batman Returns has been one of my favorite films, and this series reminded me a lot of that.

To me it was the best adaptation of the city. Usually when shows and movies do Gotham they make it depressing and/or corrupt. But they always forget that the town is just insane. It's a homicidal maniac psychopath with skyscrapers. And Gotham, the series, was so good at showing that side of it with just the perfect slice of camp to top it off.

So this show is a Gotham prequel?

Yeah Bruno Heller is the showrunner of both shows and he says he considers them to be set in the same universe. The shows have no actors in common (yet) but the tone is pretty similar

I'm aware it's the same showrunner (I'm a big fan) this the first I'm hearing they're in the same universe.

I remember seeing commercials for the first season before COVID, then I forgot all about it. Imagine my surprise to then find out that there are now three seasons and the show is also a V for Vendetta prequel as well as Batman

See gotham season 2 onwards was brilliant. Season 1 I found they weren't sure what show they wanted to be, whereas season 2 onwards was fuck it what random shit can we get away with

Yes — not only is Pennyworth a prequel to Gotham (one, two), but it is also a prequel to V for Vendetta (three, four, five, six).

That's because they got rid of the monster-of-week format after season 1.

That and they stopped trying to take themselves so serious, season 1 was a lot less wacky and zany than the rest

It works as a spiritual prequel, but there are some pretty big discrepancies which make it impossible for them to be in the same universe

‘Best Batman out there.’

I understand having a special connection to your show and it’s cast, but come on now …

If you are referring to >!Samantha Wayne!<, as I do understand it, she is >!a very loose adaptation of Owlman!< (>!Batman’s older brother!<), meaning >!she should be disappearing / dying sometime soon!<.

I mean, Gotham is a pretty clear indicator that he doesn't give a shit about Batman at all, so it makes sense he'd think this

> Season 1 I found they weren't sure what show they wanted to be,

Gotham starring Fish Mooney.

Ballon Man was… less wacky?

So glad I stopped watching after about 5 episodes.

Wait, what?

Edit: well damn. From Wikipedia:

“with the series serving as a prequel to both Gotham, and V for Vendetta, by Alan Moore, David Lloyd, and Tony Weare”

Guess I’ll start watching!

Pennyworth is one of those shows that is somehow extremely entertaining while also flaunting how ridiculous it all is. Hard to say it is "good" but it is enjoyable.

I honestly love this show. Dave boy is the goat.

Yes? If you had watched series 2 onwards you'd see it lol

Wait WHAT

Literally, yes.

At first I thought they sounded a bit crazy with all their hyping up of David Mazouz but having watched all of Gotham I think he'd do a killer job when he is older.

You are missing out.

Didn't think I'd like this Penquin at all, but it's almost his show and it's great.

Meanwhile, Jada Smith killed it for me once she went super.

Seven, eight, nine, ten...

Ugh I dropped the show because of her

I... What? I watched the first season and I couldn't even imagine this happening. I'm speechless.

And it only gets better than there — you are in for a treat.

She left the series as a main character after that season, if it helps?

Eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen....

How many seasons in are you, out of curiosity?

You should give it another shot and start with season 2, it's so much better.

One difference is the relationships between Lucius Fox and Alfred, with them being strangers in Gotham but meeting in Pennyworth. Likewise, how Thomas and Afred met is different too. There's also the fact that Miami is nuked in Pennyworth but still around in Gotham

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To a point. Their bar scene established that they did actually know each other a bit, just not very well (anymore) — that it had been quite some time since they had last interacted — said conversation also mentioned ‘Onslow’ in Alfred recalling his past, who was later made into a character (along with his daughter) in Pennyworth. On the Alfred—Thomas meeting and Miami points, those can respectively be waved away with unreliable storytelling (some details did line up, if not how one would have expected), and there being nothing in Gotham to say that Miami wasn’t nuked then rebuilt twenty-something years previously. I could see them having there be some Gotham cameos down the line.

I'm up to date with season 3

Ah, right. I got him mixed up with Bazza for a moment, when I initially read your comment.