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ivan510 t1_iyardyq wrote
AMC has had some pretty great shows but trying to watch some of their stuff is soo difficult and I don't want to get AMC+. I mean for $1 than AMC+ you can get Paramount+, Peacock premium, Disney+, prime video, or hulu. All which offer better shows, more shows/movies and regularly get new content.
A lot of their content has also become heavily focused on the walking dead franchise.
Also shudder could be soo much better i mean its the only serivice like it.
TheWayNorth t1_iyas154 wrote
I’ve heard AMC+ is a nightmare which is a shame because AMC has some great content.
reddig33 t1_iyasi98 wrote
They’ve got a pretty solid streaming package with IFC and Shudder bundled in. I was surprised at how much stuff I was watching when I was subscribed. Their back catalog was almost HBO quality for awhile there as well, with Breaking Bad, Saul, Rubicon, Halt and catch fire, and Lodge 49.
I really wish they’d relaunch Lodge and Rubicon, though I know it’ll probably never happen.
They need just a few more non-Walking Dead shows to fill out their current roster to get year-round subscriptions. For awhile there, they were on par with FX for decent original programming.
Saar13 t1_iyasmtz wrote
AMC has some shows with potential such as Dark Winds, Moonhaven, Interview with a Vampire, Mayfair Witches, Straight Man, Parish, Invitation to a Bonfire, Alan Wake and the 3 new TWD spinoffs featuring the most beloved characters.
But really they have nothing to do. Cable is a dead issue, advertising money is draining away, and they're not going to make AMC+ a success that even pays for itself. They might partner with another streamer now, but at some point there will be no reason for AMC to exist.
They have some good current and upcoming shows and they should sell out to someone. But who wants to buy? I think some of these projects would be good for Apple.
diiejso t1_iyat944 wrote
You mentioned shudder. If you like horror check out Tubi. It's free (has commercials) but they have an insane number of horror movies.
Cactuszach t1_iyatrx5 wrote
Is this because I never watched Into The Badlands?
lightsongtheold t1_iyaunq8 wrote
They were offered a bundle deal with Peacock. They should absolutely think about taking that now it is clear that AMC+ is a complete bust.
SillyMikey t1_iyavkic wrote
Funnily enough, they removed the option to even subscribe to it with my cable company. I’m sure that really helped them…
Regula96 t1_iyavx7w wrote
One of the best shows this year.
gaytechdadwithson t1_iyawfdg wrote
Tubi has minimal commercials and i watch more on that than any service that exists. i have access to about everything.
KumagawaUshio t1_iyayyu2 wrote
AMC owns 8 streaming services that's a lot to divide up their rather meagre catalogue.
halfanothersdozen t1_iyazzc5 wrote
We swung too far in the wrong direction. Everything has it's own service now (with their own nigh indistinguishable app) and they keep asking for more money.
Hs39163 t1_iyb0g10 wrote
I briefly subscribed to AMC+ a year or two ago to catch up on TWD (I really wanted to see the show out for some reason). New eps unavailable after airing. What’s the point?
Turns out I’m content with a wiki article when confronted with that nonsense.
chicagoredditer1 t1_iyb0ka7 wrote
They didn't cut the staff that works on their app, because I'm pretty sure they don't have any such people.
It really is the worst of the worst.
_The_Incredible_Hulk t1_iyb10yu wrote
Jacob Anderson is amazing!
_The_Incredible_Hulk t1_iyb12eb wrote
It’s because you aren’t watching Interview with a Vampire
Shaker72 t1_iyb1woz wrote
An Alan Wake TV series... That sounds awesome. I would subscribe just for that.
br_onson t1_iyb26hg wrote
Worst streaming app I’ve used. I cancelled Shudder because AMC+ has all their content but it’s impossible to find. I’d settle for a Movies By Genre filter.
thewidowgorey t1_iyb2849 wrote
It’s such a good show!
undeadsasquatch t1_iyb2ctl wrote
AMC's website was terrible. I kept trying to stream Better Caul Saul but it would crash any time commercials played, so I gave up, still haven't been able to finish it :(
GRIZZLY-HILLS t1_iyb2xlg wrote
I subbed to it to watch the Better Call Saul final season as it was being released over the summer and the app would periodically just log me out while in the middle of an episode premier. Like I get that their servers were probably on fire, but you'd think they'd expect that during a major show's final season lmao.
GuiltyGun t1_iyb3fyg wrote
Shudder is also fantastic but its pretty much all horror/thriller. There is an argument for variety with other services.
Note: I've had a Shudder sub for three years and I'm not canceling it lol.
diiejso t1_iyb3qly wrote
Oh I wasn't trying to imply that shudder is bad but I figured anyone subscribed to it would also appreciate knowing about Tubi if they don't already.
GuiltyGun t1_iyb3umn wrote
Gotcha. I'll have to check that one out. I'm assuming its not a lot of bleedover with Shudder's catalog.
invaderzz t1_iyb5glo wrote
AMC+ was literally down for over half an hour when BCS's finale came out lmao
diiejso t1_iyb5mbf wrote
I'm not too familiar with the shudder catalog tbh. Tubi has a decent collection of mainstream but slightly older stuff but where they're awesome is cheap (mostly bad) horror if you enjoy that sort of thing. I'll just put random stuff in the search like "shark" and they'll have a few dozen oddball shark horror movies.
I searched for Thanksgiving the other day out of curiosity and found gems like The Last Thanksgiving (Meet the Brimstons. They're a normal American family with one exception: Every November, they hunt down anybody who doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving.), Derelicts (Thanksgiving day for a dysfunctional upper class family takes a terrifying turn when their suburban home is invaded by a gang of sadistic drifters.), and Thankskilling (A murderous turkey hunts down five college kids on their Thanksiging break. Can the survivors break the curse and defeat the possessed bird?)
MurielHorseflesh t1_iyb8hbo wrote
I think we’re going to start seeing this across the board as tv channels become streaming platforms. Showtime just announced they’re entering a period of “tightening the belt” and are looking to fund low budget projects.
You can point to spending on tv being higher than ever, but that doesn’t change the fact that dilution is happening.
Broadcast TV Channels like AMC had to mostly worry about filling 3 to 4 hours of one stream per day: Primetime television.
During that golden 3 to 4 hour period per night advertising revenue was at its highest often with companies bidding higher and higher to get the sweet spot when everyone was watching the same thing. Obviously not everyone, but enough that you can say everyone and mean someone you know.
Change the name tv channel to stream. Imagine all of us tuning into one stream at 9pm every night to watch a broadcast of a tv show. We see ads but there’s so many of us watching at once the primary cash dollar money that goes to budgets is from advertisers keen to get that one slot where we’re all looking at the same time.
But now we’re in the age of streaming and people expect to see a “platform” of content which means as much choice as can be thrust upon someone at any one time. It’s not about seeing great entertainment, it’s about having more of a choice of entertainment than the other company charging roughly the same.
Instead of funding prestige content with most of the huge income coming from advertising money on primetime, now there is no primetime, people watch whatever they want whenever they want and they expect something different every time or at least a massive catalog of content to ignore but feel like they own and that justifies the monthly payments.
So instead of one stream aka tv channel of which there’s only maybe 100 of total and they’re showing fun reruns all day with ads, and then they show brand new content at primetime with advertisers who bear the brunt of the huge budgetary costs, we have plateaued subscriber growth meaning there’s a budgetary ceiling on almost all content.
We have entered the Lowest Common Denominator era of TV because instead of being chosen gourmet chefs who present us a curated dinner course, they showed us the supermarket and told us could have whatever we wanted and that we can eat it any time we want.
They used to call television “programming” back when it was used to inform, educate and entertain, in that order. I’m in my 40’s and I remember that phrase.
Garbage in, garbage out. We’re entering a time of constant information that does not inform or educate but solely exists to entertain. Combine that with a free market monetary interest in funding content produced by businesses with investment capital instead of public tax funded models like the UK’s BBC and you can see how the educate, inform, entertain model has now become entertain, entertain, entertain because you as the customer could open the app at any time of the day and expect something absolutely brand new. I am the king of run on sentences. I’m sorry.
Where we are is not better than where we were.
Tommy_Roboto t1_iyba73f wrote
I hope Gregg Turkington’s job is safe.
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_Fox_trot_ t1_iybdyo0 wrote
I just don’t see the point of subscribing to these smaller streaming services. Outside of the big ones: Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBOMAX, and Disney. What’s the point? I’m not paying x amount each month to just watch 1-2 shows on a service no matter how good they are.
Seriously who even are the people that pay for Starz, AMC+, Peacock, Showtime, ParamountPlus, AppleTV, etc.?
InnovationV1 t1_iybfe5y wrote
Time to short some AMC
constantino675 t1_iybfnd3 wrote
costs $7 just to maintain the app when you only have a few million subs. THEN comes the content costs...
but no one wants to just be the studio that produces content for netflix.
KitchenReno4512 t1_iybnelj wrote
Don’t commercials take you out of the immersion that’s so important for scary movies?
gaytechdadwithson t1_iybnlap wrote
somewhat, but often it’s a movie i’ve seen or the movie itself is just “meh”. so it doesn’t matter. this isn’t a knock against Tubi, just the shitscape of content out there
also, again, it has a shocking minimal number of commercials (for now at least)
KitchenReno4512 t1_iybnuh3 wrote
Sweet. I’ll check it out. Thanks for the rec!
gaytechdadwithson t1_iybnz6k wrote
np. Maybe I just don’t watch a lot of scary movies. Mostly comedy and documentaries, which they do pretty good on. I kind of feel like the first 20 minutes of anything I watch I don’t even see a commercial. So sometimes I forget i’m even using that app on my television.
Several_Prior3344 t1_iybox9u wrote
Every fucking network, tv company or ceos pet dog having its own streaming app exclusive and membership is the reason people turn to piracy. They did this to themselves.
Kalse1229 t1_iybpziq wrote
> Alan Wake
As a fan of Remedy I hope this doesn't affect the show. As it stands, though, I can see them partnering with another streamer for exclusive rights to their library. Walking Dead Universe alone would be a big get for any service (regardless of opinions on the show itself), and that's not even getting into other popular shows like Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, Mad Men, Hell on Wheels, and Halt and Catch Fire to name a few. That'd be a pretty awesome get for Hulu or Netflix or whoever.
RandomSlimeL t1_iybqutl wrote
Overdependence on the Walking Dead (long after Kirkman ended the actual comic!) is a hell of a drug.
NotAlwaysSunnyInFL t1_iybrw1g wrote
I have 5 different streaming subs at a time and I still sail the 7 seas quite frequently.
Edit: Ohh no!! A corporate shill found my comment! Shiver me timbers..
LurkingLarry43 t1_iybvy6r wrote
They’re fucked because the AMC+ app is a joke. It’s literally the worst streaming app out rn
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Existing-Class-140 t1_iyc1d76 wrote
> but no one wants to just be the studio that produces content for netflix.
At the end of the day it might be the best way to go. You focus on making the content and Netflix focuses on the distribution. Everyone focuses on the thing they do best and they split costs. But no, they had to be greedy and now everyone pays more - everyone loses.
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Spiritofhonour t1_iyc5s5f wrote
They saw people cord cutting cable and then they recreated cable 2.0
Existing-Class-140 t1_iyc6fyt wrote
> no matter how good they are.
What if they're once-in-a-decade level shows, like Thrones or Breaking Bad? Would you still not subscribe to watch them? Even after they're completed, with 73 and 62 episodes respectively? That's hell of an amount of content. That's obviously a theoritical example btw.
xhrit t1_iyc6pnx wrote
The sooner they cancel it the sooner someone else will make an actually faithful adaptation of the books.
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Donex101 t1_iyc7c7x wrote
AppleTV has great content. Doesn't deserve to be grouped with that other garbage.
Cash907 t1_iyc89dl wrote
Lol moon haven is such complete trash. I turned it off after fifteen minutes because the bad acting and worse special effects were hilarious. That show getting picked up for a second season is why I’ll never subscribe to AMC+.
AobaSona t1_iyc9zlc wrote
I doubt it. It might not be huge but the show is popular enough that a lot of people wouldn't support a reboot too soon. And having a slave owner as a main character is only gonna get more unlikely as years go by, not less. Plus rights issues.
FUMFVR t1_iycb1w0 wrote
> “Ten years ago, we saw that cord-cutting was going to be a thing, and we thought streaming growth would offset it. And streaming has grown. It just required a lot more investment than anyone expected,” said a media fund manager. “There’s been a pretty bad cyclical downturn, and everybody’s had to rethink what they are doing. The same discussions are happening at every media company.”
This feels like record companies lamenting the death of the lucrative CD industry. Of course streaming wasn't going to fully offset being able to double-dip with linear cable. Smarter executives figured this out and replicated cable-like platforms such as PlutoTV and Tubi fully based on ad revenue.
FUMFVR t1_iycb4ns wrote
AMC+ might be the worst implemented app on the technology side.
the100broken t1_iycfzq8 wrote
They ended the show at the same place the comic did
pattyicevv77 t1_iycin3y wrote
I want to watch the new interview with a vampire series,I really enjoy jacob Anderson,but they are so petty that you have to buy an additional subscription on top of one of their streaming partners and it’s ridiculous
hmbayliss t1_iycpfqd wrote
Use Amazon prime channels. They have a special right now for 1.99 for the next 2 months. Sign up and binge it during that month. Then cancel.
While you are at it watch Dark Winds too on AMC.
Amazon runs that special it seems like every Black Friday. Easy to binge all of AMC content very cheap.
MadeByTango t1_iycpws3 wrote
The problem streamers are fast approaching is that they have smaller catalogs, and if one or two of their main shows ain’t my thing then the whole channel is pointless to subscribe to half the year. They don’t have the individual film volumes anymore to make up for it. All save Netflix, but I’ve suffered too many cancellations and green screen films at this point to keep steady.
And sports makes anything immediately more expensive than it’s worth.
So, the old media is being killed be the new media, but the new media still isn’t ready to carry prime time.
Poormidlifechoices t1_iycqp5t wrote
It's easy if you have kids. My 4yr old managed to subscribe by clicking yes in order to play a movie.
I didn't even realize it until I got to looking at my bill.
MagicaDispelica t1_iycs3ma wrote
AMC making its own network app was one of the stupidest things I ever saw. AMC+ is trash.
Disgruntled_Viking t1_iycs5lu wrote
They also have the worst apps available on the least amount of devices.
joejill t1_iyctak1 wrote
TWD died with Glenn.
It became unwatchable. I tried but the show just wasn't the same.
UnrequitedRespect t1_iycv3ch wrote
Better call saul is over who still holding amc wtf they got nothing left and nothing coming
mapoftasmania t1_iycwdfg wrote
AMC should have sold, but Dolan won’t. This is one that will slowly fall into distress and then the gold they have - the content library - will get picked up by someone.
tomato_rancher t1_iycwn21 wrote
I wanted to sign up for AMC+ but couldn't because I don't have a "TV Provider" ... You know, because I chose to stream TV instead?
Severe_Cheesecake165 t1_iycwyt8 wrote
Yeah, AMC’s best bet would have been to be bought out as a prestige brand.
Unfortunately their handling of the walking dead directly clashes with a handful of really good content they produce. All the poor decisions with that show cancelled out any good reputation created by Breaking Bad, Madmen, Halt and Catch Fire, etc
crystal-crawler t1_iycyw3z wrote
I really hope this doesnt damage production of Interview with a Vampire. Which is one of the best shows I saw this year.
hacky_potter t1_iycz47z wrote
Why not license their shows out to other streamers? I’m sure it costs a lot of money to keep that streamer up and running.
hacky_potter t1_iyczb64 wrote
For the price Shudder might be my favorite streamer. I love throwing on some random horror flick and just letting it ride.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyczbtu wrote
If they abandoned the TWD IP they would've been gone a long time ago. It's the thing thats granted them independence for this long.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyczh3e wrote
I'm a TWD fan but yes. Once that programming isn't on for a week the subscription goes off until the next batch of programming is on.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyczk31 wrote
No. That is literally the bedrock of their finances. If they dropped that IP they might as well just fire their entire workforce and declare bankruptcy.
hacky_potter t1_iyd03od wrote
I’m trying to watch Mad Men again and it’s such a pain in the ass to just find the next episode to watch after you take a break. It’s also hard to cycle through their catalog.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyd04jk wrote
I know we pay for these services for specific shows. As a TWD franchise fan AMC might as well just be called "TWD Universe" I have no real intent of seeing anything else on their platform. It probably shouldn't have been independent in the first place.
It's a rough time for cable channel networks.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyd0bgf wrote
Oh completely. The only reason I buy is so I could watch TWDU content a week early to avoid commercials and spoilers. It's a crappy service.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyd0ksj wrote
Better Call Saul was prestigious and had good viewership. However they now have access to Anne Rice content and the TWDU is still a decently sized franchise in terms of viewership. Not enough to support a subscription service though.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyd0v67 wrote
I am very curious to see where the IP I watch, TWD ends up with. I love that franchise and AMC has made decision after decision that seems to sabotage that IP's potential.
Varekai79 t1_iyd1mq6 wrote
I was thinking that too but there aren't that many ads on Tubi, just a couple every 20 minutes or so. Not a bad payoff for a free service.
RandomSlimeL t1_iyd1yc0 wrote
The comic didn't have a billion spinoffs and attempted continuations under different names.
UnrequitedRespect t1_iyd2aiz wrote
Tales from Elsewhere was far more fascinating and they like shelved it. Sad
RandomSlimeL t1_iyd2khn wrote
"Abandon"=come up with a different plan once something starts to decline in the ratings. AMC doesn't have a transition plan in place and nature will take its course if the ratings continue to decline.
bergskey t1_iyd2rh9 wrote
Last year around Christmas time I paid $24 for an entire year of amc plus. Keep an eye out for that deal this year!
Varekai79 t1_iyd3dqc wrote
I'm watching Gangs of London on AMC+ and so far it's excellent.
DeadCalamari1 t1_iyd3fsf wrote
They have bottomed out. They haven't declined. They have transitioned. Into a cost saving continuation of the IP in order to maintain demand. That's why they ended the show and started spin offs. The show has around 5 million followers.
dalittle t1_iyd3g3y wrote
I would love to see the books on most of these streaming services. I bet there are only a couple winners and all the rest are money pits. Disney just fired their CEO and one of the things he was doing was hiding the streaming service loses. I would not be surprised in the next couple of years if there is a contraction and content providers dump their services and go back to the big players. If they would all just go back to Netflix I would be a much happier Customer and actually watch some of their shows I can't be bothered with now.
r-b-m t1_iyd3lpl wrote
As mentioned elsewhere, most of their popular series are owned by Sony, Lionsgate or partner companies like BBCA and Acorn. AMC doesn’t hold those rights to sell off. Of the series AMC does own outright, I believe only TWD and FTWD have existing licensing agreements (with Netflix and Hulu respectively). The majority of the remaining AMC-owned content could potentially be licensed off en masse if they decide to fold AMC+ entirely, but while that would lead to a short-term gain, it wouldn’t leave them with much of a runway for the future. AMC Studios isn’t really much of a production arm, and the development team attached is rather mediocre. That being said, the only way I can foresee AMC sustaining is through a merger with another media company that controls a streaming pipeline, since that clearly isn’t something AMC can be relied upon to handle themselves. My guess would be Comcast or Roku.
DeckardsDark t1_iyd3rwo wrote
he is. and Sam Reid is even better
BeetleBreakfastDrink t1_iyd4gfq wrote
Yeah after they spent the entire off season swearing up and down that they weren’t going to follow the comic and kill Glenn, just to immediately do it anyway, I was done. It wasn’t even the loss of the character that turned me off, it was entirely the lazy ass way the show runners handled everything.
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bergskey t1_iyd5co4 wrote
A lot of these I rotate based on the deal they offer. I just did a year of paramount plus and showtime for $75. There is a ton of stuff we watch on paramount plus like the new beavis and butthead and the nick cartoons for the kids. I have starz right now because it was $10 for 6 months and there was a specific show I wanted to watch. Last year I got a year of amc+ for $24. So I rotate them and usually pay very little.
Existing-Class-140 t1_iyd9tb1 wrote
If it were successful, they'd be bragging about the numbers left and right. I'm having dot-com bubble vibes with this one. Huge money at the beginning due to big promises with the streaming revolution and then a bitter realisation that people won't pay for multiple services, and once you invested the money, you have to pay the loans you took, and with the streaming market so fragmented among all the various companies, the returns look not too promising.
jblanch3 t1_iydbhv2 wrote
OMG, you need a cable subscription to subscribe to AMC+? No wonder they're having trouble getting subscribers.
Relevant-Ad2254 t1_iydux7q wrote
Won’t we hear calls for “break up Netflix” if Netflix was the only streaming service?
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skamjamz t1_iye5ehy wrote
You can add it through Amazon Prime
Existing-Class-140 t1_iyee3xg wrote
Nope, we won't. We don't hear any voices calling for breaking up Steam.
Relevant-Ad2254 t1_iyemtkm wrote
Doesn’t steam does have competitors like the epic games store.
And other game publishers have their own store like activision blizzard.
So there’s no reason to break up steam when there’s other ways to buy games online.
Your point is irrelevant
r-b-m t1_iyepnzk wrote
No, you don’t. AMC+ is a DTC app just like Netflix, Hulu, etc. Not sure what that person’s talking about.
Coolman_Rosso t1_iyf1fg9 wrote
I'm kind of surprised that went down. Like I understand AMC was trying to expand its catalog/portfolio and Sentai was not in a favorable position in terms of licensing as it attempts to compete for licenses with an ever-stronger and well-connected Sony and high-spender Netflix. However I'm not sure if there was any benefit to being owned by AMC for them.
Nodqfan t1_iyf72ky wrote
I agree with you. I was expecting Sony to buy them to have almost complete control over licensing and they would be the only one dubbing anime in the state of Texas.
thewidowgorey t1_iyapr28 wrote
They better not touch Interview with the Vampire.