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😂😂😂 bruh i literally just came across this show awhile ago. decided not to add it my to-watch list. guess i made the right decision.

I’m shocked that they made the main character incompetent, shocked I tell you!

Thought it was an ok watch but I hate how passive they made Charlie's character. They wasted him the most out of all the actors, which is a shame when you know he EATS with good material like in Daredevil.

a dumbified, sanitised, castrated lead who has the misfortune of being male and disgustingly white? Omg this must be a first, absolutely appalling

I genuinely like these kinds of posts about less than adequate shows, it keeps things interesting. Sorry you didn't enjoy it, thanks for the heads-up.

They are the worst spies I've ever seen.

Saw a trailer for it earlier with the "coming soon to Netflix" bit and it just looked awful.

Think we are about to exit after 2 - any spy show that has a jealous wife and dumb kids

Guess it doesn’t get any better - did they just take a cab to a kidnap exchange? Oh wow, this is bad

His wife is a better spy than him lol - this is bad

I'm almost done with the 3rd episode and I might just stop now. Charlie Cox is great of course but the writing is so ass and the characters themselves are terribly written and the whole plot in general is just boring.

"Hmmm. How do we come up with series of compelling challenges for our main character to overcome that will keep viewers engaged?"

"How about we just make them really stupid?"

The show just came out...

The whole writing is nonsensical, that should have tipped you off. I've 3 episodes left, maybe I'll finish it to have a laugh. I dont know why but lately a lot of british shows have a ton of drama but a plot that's ludicrous and unbelievable.

Thanks for telling op

i was trying to watch it

But you saved me

I'm good with my succession tv show.

One definitely has to throw logic out the window to watch.

It's been in the "coming soon" list for a while.

Lasted 2 episodes and bailed. Absolute garbage. Charlie Cox and Ciaran Hinds must owe someone a favour. Slow Horses is a far better watch

Hmm.. sounds exactly like my experience watching Inside Man - The David Tenet, Stanley Tucci one.

At least it's not completely boring so I could watch the 5 episodes, but what was that ending. lol The character who'd been manipulated the whole show is suddenly able to fight a spy and save the day. It's like that person became the main character all of a sudden. And the Dorian revelation? It just felt so out of place because we barely knew anything about this double agent and the actual person he ended up being. Basically why do I care about him? Pretty bad yeah.

Haven’t watched this series yet, but it surely can’t compare to the things the main character does in JUST THE FIRST EPISODE of The Recruit. The guy apparently got hired for a top job in the CIA without knowing literally anything about how the CIA operates. He makes errors that even I wouldn’t make, and my only knowledge of intelligence agency protocol is from having watched cable news.

I gave it a try for Charlie Cox and it was absolutely terrible. He's obviously great as Daredevil but there wasn't much to work with in this show so even he couldn't salvage it.

Complete and utter waste of time, I watched the whole thing cause only 5 episodes and in the hopes that it might just get better but nope.

People bring up how difficult it's been for Cox to get a job because he's so used to acting blind. There were multiple times in this show where he'd like gaze into the distance off-screen as though he were thinking while talking to someone and I could tell that was one of those moments. He also would randomly speak a few words with an American accent sometimes. It was jarring because I know he's British and it was interesting hearing him speak that way.

I didn't think the show was the worst thing in the world but it wasn't great. I thought the wife was the worst honestly. She knows he's a high ranking member of MI6 and then she incredibly easily loses trust in him because he can't talk about work, and immediately goes to a friend she knows works at the CIA who says she's just on vacation; riiight.

I made it half way into Episode 2. Absolutely dreadful,

Dang i thought it was a fun and easy watch while playing videogames. Didnt like how the wife was spying on her husband tho.

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>I have absolutely no idea why Charlie Cox took this role

Seriously? It's his job lmao. Actors take the roles they're offered. Not alll of them can afford to be super selective and/or require to see every script for anything they touch with a 10 foot pole.

Have you seen De Niro's movies the past 20 years? He went from consistently being a big part of masterpiece after masterpiece, to consistently having a largely insignificant role in shitty comedy after shitty comedy. In recent years, he happened to get the Irishman and Joker, which released the same year, but has only had mediocre roles in mediocre films/shows again after that.

It's the nature of the job. What else has Cox even been in since Daredevil's cancellation? He, like all of us, needed work, so he took it.

i was waiting for some twist in the end but nothing really happened.

Not even just that, the acting was dogshit. I thought even Charlie Cox was wooden in places.

If you’re looking for an antidote, check out A Spy Among Friends starring Guy Pierce and Damian Lewis (it just came out in the U.K. on a new streaming platform). Based on a true story and far more cerebrally engaging

Sounds like typical Netflix quality writing and production.

This show had potential but was ruined with many idiotic tropes. I walked away after seeing how easily Adam and Maddy were able to come and go from their home without security knowing. They were able to just disappear for hours without security noticing.....with a half dozen officers outside.

Shame that Charlie Cox was wasted in this and Kin. I mean Kin isn't bad it's just not that interesting and frankly Charlie Cox doesn't do a lot of demanding acting in that show. He deserves something better.

That theme song got incredibly old. They played the same song 3-4 times an episode for the entire run.

I could tell by the generic action scene music that this was going to be insulting to my intelligence and it was.

i turned it off after the first big plot twist in episode one. now i feel relieved of the burden of wondering if i should revisit it.

They have one more episode to release. I believe it is coming out in January, not sure if the date.

Better watch Slow Horses or Deep State 2018

I gave up as Oona Chaplin gets all suspicious because THE HEAD OF MI6 HAZ A PRIVATE PHONE CALL!!!!!!!
I do give the actors credit for managing to sort of look like they are acting through this crap.
Oh plus the trope of the willfully disobedient daughter in peril - this kills every show.

She does have a magic pen though.

I couldn't get past the first scene.

Perfect juxtaposition between it and slow horses.

Better you than me. Bailed after episode 1

Nice to see such posts, we need more of these

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Lol it's a bit implausible, but it was also literally his first week on the job and more importantly his first job out of college. The character is like early to mid 20's and doesn't know better. He's also in an incredibly toxic environment where his coworkers screwed him over. What is different about the main character in "The Recruit" is he's actually smart and starts to think for himself.

My family had this show on last night while the rest of us played board games, and I thought the tone was completely one-note and it seemed quite boring.

Since I didn’t actually watch it, this comment section is very entertaining.

I gave up on Jack Ryan cos it was so boring to watch this.

Poor Charlie Cox. He must have been blackmailed into doing this. It's preposterous. It bears no relation to reality at all. It's like one of those Harlen Coben adaptations, but much worse. Two episodes in and I'm done.

Jack Ryan looks like Chekov next to this.

i'm currently watching episode 2, and am only watching this show now out of a morbid curiosity to see exactly how terrible this is going to get. What an absolute steaming pile of dog shit this story is.

Thinking about it, this may be some of the best acting i have ever seen by every actor on screen. The way they keep the shame and embarassment of their faces throughout is truly award worthy.

Exactly good shows that touch us are a rarity .For every one premiere TV masterpiece theres 100's of garbage ass shows.Just look at How to Keep up with Kardashians and wonder why the fuck it still gets renewed.For every Bosch theres a tons of crappy procedurals that go nowhere. Hence why HBO was before Zaslav one of the best spots for talented creators because they approved very few shows.

So actors often have to take shit roles to stay relevant in hopes that someone talented eventually scoops them so they can truly EAT the script and earn bank,hopefully a good show with multiple seasons

Charlie Cox is probably happy that he was likely able to negotiate a good payout from this shitshow and is salivating at the prospects of starring in the Daredevil reboot alongside Vincent D'nofrio

Right. 'Hmm, i wonder what my husband is up to? Shall i talk to him, or destroy our family, lives and careers by serving him up to the CIA?'

I don't even know where to begin with Charlie Cox's character and his decisions/actions.

I wish Netflix had a review function.

just, wow.

So much on netflix and tv in general in recent years main plot devices are people doing unexplainably dumb shit.

I just finished Treason last night…watched it in one sitting post-Christmas couch crash with my wife to unwind….we both unequivocally thoroughly enjoyed it. Would recommend to my friends and family. Which I did to my parents….and they both enjoyed the series. To each his own.

Apparently, he had been filming three things at the same time with three different accents… I don’t blame him

She at one point confronts him and demands he ignore the Official Secrets Act, which he actually can’t do, but of course he gets interrupted by the Russian calling him, and they just canceled that arc.

lol. I literally thought his eyes had as much life to them as when he's acting Daredevil. In my opinion he is a terrible actor.

Maybe Netflix are just getting open source AI to write their shows now. That's the only logical reason i can see for why this was so badly written. Or they let a kid doing work experience write and direct their own show.

I can't believe someone got paid real money for creating this drivel.

But you have seen them…

I’m so glad I saw this before I invested time into it.

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The Recruit was a far far better, more enjoyable show

I'm 10 min in and the newly appointed C is just starting to find out how MI6 operates. Incompetent would be a step up lol

Decided it was even worse than Jack Ryan after 1 episode, only started it to scratch Slow Horses itch before the entire season 2 is available.

Ordinarily I would agree, as a woman, that Netflix has a propensity for dumbing down male characters but in this one, everyone was stupid and insufferable. The wife was just the worst.

Ikr? Like, Charlie’s boss has just been poisoned, he’s the new head of MI6, and his daughter has just been kidnapped…yet he can just go wherever with no security detail, no one even knowing where he is…

I didn’t notice him doing an American accent. He’s British and used his real accent on this show. I only made it through 2 episodes though.

After only maybe 1 day of thinking her husband is acting suspicious, the wife decides to spy on him and serve him up to her friends at the CIA.

The “annoying rebellious teenage girl slips her security detail and promptly gets kidnapped” trope, again.

I loved Charlie Cox as Daredevil but here he’s a passive and pretty incompetent head of MI6. Lots of plot holes and I’m only on episode 2.

I'm almost positive he did it once or twice in those episodes too. Granted it's about five episodes and he did it a handful of times. I found myself thinking "wait he sounds like Matt Murdock, not a Brit" a few times.

I don't either but you'd think people on set / editing would notice and try to find a way to fix it. Whether that's doing another take or using another one. They weren't exactly one-off types of scenes.

CIA do 2 years of training before being let anywhere near field work.

That show lost me at a character having access to encrypted coms not being listened to when he has something to report minute 2.

There is EVERYTHING wrong with this show. I can watch anything, but I just found my rock bottom.

It was so stupid, and I literally wasted my fkin time. Don't even bother to watch.

Yup. I'm so glad I don't have Netflix. What a waste

It really is the most monumental pile of unbelievably poorly constructed badly written poop. Add that to the tedious characters and we have the worst series ever on Netflix

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Thanks for saving my precious time and sorry for your loss of your precious time.

Well that kind of silly writing and dialogue isn't easy to make convincing so I don't blame the actors at all

Maybe they didn't notice it either...I certainly didn't notice an American accent but I'm gonna try and look out for it now as I finish the show. Maybe that's just how his British accent is now? (He has been living in the US for quite a few years now, and maybe his real accent is getting Americanized or something)

I thought Kin was good. Even that show at least also has Ciaran Hinds in a better role than this one lol. But yeah, Charlie's potential is being wasted. He would eat in an HBO show (aka shows with actual good writing that gives actors a lot more to chew)

Ah another show where things happen in the story because characters can’t be arsed to explain anything to each other for a minute because we need some tension in the narrative.

Example - Adam hiding his relationship with Kara from his daughter and his wife.

When the daughter sees them in the basement, he’s like “there’s no time to explain, just trust me”.

Mate you were playing forehead detective with them yesterday, wouldn’t this have been a decent time to explain what has actually been going on? Especially to your wife?

Watch The Recruit instead

Watch The Recruit. The main character is actually smart he's just young and a bit reckless. It's about a lawyer in the CIA who gets in way over his head with a case

I watched episode 1.

I really liked Charlie Cox in Daredevil, but this just did not start well for the reasons you mentioned.

Was going to watch more in case it got better, but there are really good alternatives out there. So thanks for the time save.

I regret all I can give you is an upvote.

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I'm on ep 2, i really want to watch it. But it's just so dumt. He's the head of MI6, ofc. he has secrets he shouldn't tell you.

And that CIA agent, god fucking damnit I hate her.

Sucks that Charlie is finally the lead in something, and it's just boring.

maybe charlie just wanted to chill in london for a few months and this was a good excuse? chill and get paid at the same time. i mean he was working but i guess it maybe scratched his itch to spend a few months in london?

best part of the show was olga kurylenko hands down.

my man jack ryan season 3 was amazing lol surely i hope you are not dunking on season 3 of jack ryan?

same. i enjoyed it. the actions of some of the characters felt stupid at times but it was a decent and quick 5 episode outing. not sure if i saw any buzz for it considering there was some decently well known names attached to this project.

thanks for the tip. maybe i can find it on the high seas.

They must have offered stupid money. If this was more like like Bodyguard or Line of Duty I’d be more interested

same

same

Yeah, I would love to see a spy drama with Charlie Cox that wasn't written by a toddler. What a wasted opportunity.

I disagree. He was stupid and pathetic. He had no basic survival instinct and did silly things like showing up to a black-site unannounced to ask questions.

I lasted 1,5 episode.

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I'm here wondering why the fuck this mother is doing the laundry and going grocery shopping when her child is missing. You should be hysterical. What the fffff????

Do they have the traditional role of hot young CIA babe who somehow got a very important job after a few years?

I don’t write on Reddit often. But I’m home with Covid and I don’t have much to do. Imagine my surprise when a new spy thriller mini-series debuts on Netflix. I saw The Recruit and Treason trailers and joyfully decided to spend my time with Daredevil, the bond chick, Rob Stark’s wife and Mance Raydar!

I’m a fan of Homeland and have been trying to scratch that itch since it went off air (Tehran helped btw). I’m easy to please; and can forgive a plot hole or two. I pushed through Homeland’s weird seasons and even enjoyed this years All the Old Knives.

However, I felt compelled to comment on Treason and see if others felt the same way or was my judgment too harsh and possibly a result of my pounding headache?

The word that comes to mind after watching Treason is “insufferable”. Now, that might seem odd since I actually suffered through the series. So I guess it was barely above insufferable. I can’t say I tolerated the show, but more like angrily watched the rest of the 5 episodes hoping that at some point it would redeem itself. Or maybe I just can’t keep my eyes off of a train wreck.

What is the person called that is consulted when writing a show to make sure they stay close to the reality of how things are done? I believe it’s called a subject matter expert. Was that the only thing this show was lacking? Did they not have anyone in the writing room that said, “no, that’s not how things are done” ? Or, “that’s not a logical reaction someone would typically have in that scenario”?

I’m sure you redditors will post the laundry list of lapse of logic in this show; maybe starting with the wife willfully spying on her husband, brand new head of Mi6, and giving the info to the C.I. fukking A. Treason!

I could ignore the blatant foreshadowing (Ding! Elevator C going down). I stuck with the show to see how the story ended. The series could’ve been great. I liked the actors and the concept. I think the salt in the wound was when they draw “Dorian” out , and the wife just casually walks into the intelligence meeting with her only leverage out in the open. Oh don’t worry; she was in the army 7 years ago and will easily take down any possible mi6/Russian double agents with her badass throat punch.

Gosh what was the point of this rant? I guess I wanted to vent lmao. I also am really curious if anyone can pinpoint specifically to who was missing in the writing room or editing room that allowed this shit show to conspicuously to have many fuckups?

I haven’t read any reviews yet, but I’m sure they will be harsh. To the writers; I don’t want you to give up. I’m sure someone pointed out a problem. Listen to them next time. I wish for more spy thrillers.

Fingers crossed for The Recruit.

They did Charlie so dirty. Besides the completely plot hole-ridden story, his character was written like a side character instead of the main one. He was basically given nothing to do. Why even cast him if that's the case? Mind-boggling. Watching Daredevil you can see him doing great action, doing great drama, etc...then this show gives him no opportunity to do either.

And the writer is apparently "Oscar-nominated" or whatever...where did his Oscar-nominated talent go when writing this show then 🤣

It doesn’t get better. Sorry smh

It’s absolutely absurd - in what universe could this guy have worked at MI6 for multiple years but he’s seemingly never taken an after-hours call? And his wife just doesn’t understand the concept of spy work?? An unbelievably dumb show

Sounds like Bodyguard

That’s what I was trying to wrap my head around.

Never saw season 3. 1 was okay, 2 was so lame I didn't even finish it.

Or that he wouldn’t get more phone calls after he took over as head of MI6?? I found his wife absurdly annoying.

He’s not a field agent though ? I thought he was a lawyer for the cia

I watched it and got the sense of the same energy as bodyguard but by ep 4 I started to see the flaws and then the ending boy what a let down Maybe a few more eps to get off the plot would have helped but the twist ending just left me sour

> plot hole-ridden story

Even in the two episodes I watched! How would the head of MI6 stay in post if his daughter was kidnapped? And he keeps disappearing and evading his security detail. Is nobody asking questions if he's being controlled or manipulated by the kidnappers?

Ikr? So foolish, high schoolers can write a better plot than this one. All I gathered from watching this show (I took the time to finish it, unfortunately) is how much Charlie Cox deserves better. People are going to zero in on him for this show being bad but he was literally given nothing to work with and saddled to play one of the most clueless protagonists on TV yet. What a waste of a great actor.

Watching Episode2 now...

1. Stupid wife, thinks her friend is more capable to find her daughter than MI6 head.

2. Stupid daughter

3. MI6 head can just go anywhere 🤯

4. Stupid pen that can also record the voice on the other line 🤯

I hope it doesn't effect him. Actors are rarely to blame for a show being bad.. I guess actors have to balance out the need to work against the best offers on the table at any one time, vs their availability and may not even see a full script for a series before they have to sign on. Even if they give a bad performance, it's kinda the director's fault, or in this case the writer's. Unless it's a vanity project, then I usually go easy on them.

To be fair I haven't seen anyone blame his performance (since he did the best with what he got) but are basically just wondering why he chose to do the show in the first place, but at the end of the day he's acting for a living and doesn't have the luxury to be picky.

watch 3 my dude.

If I forcefully suspend my disbelief and just watch through it, it was kinda entertaining.

They did 2 things well:

• people died
• the Russian speakers were competent, so it did not look out of place, unlike 99% of content out there

At least this series made me realize that Olga is still beautiful.

I’m half way through episode 1 and had to look up if anyone else hated it ha.

The new fucking head of MI6 telling his wife he’ll be home to put the kids to bed during a terrorist attack.

The cliche moody teenager.

The terrorist “hacker” woman with all the fancy spying tech in her BARGE!

Who writes this bolox.

In deep now at episode 3….. all he had to do was come clean at the start.

All was fine & legal up until that point.

This is hokey 1960s “cloak ‘n dagger” bs- audiences are a bit smarter now.

Oh, a pen that clearly picks up 2 way chats on a cell but static in ep 3? DUMB

Worked once with 24, but that was also 15 years ago.

I gave up right after episode one, mainly thanks to the "she's a teenager asserting herself." I hate that trope so much that I didn't want to bother with the rest of the show.

Same! I enjoyed it!

I also only lasted two episodes. The wife and the daughter were too much for me.

That’s because Elisha Cuthbert was hot

Wish I'd found this thread 3 episodes ago. My wife is enjoying it and I'm just sitting here thinking of things I'd rather be doing. Things like dunking my balls in boiling water. Fuck this is garbage.

its actually a prequel to daredevil.

this show is what made daredevil blind.

what a load of fucking horseshit, man decided he didnt want eyesight anymore.

okay so do the showrunners not even watch other bad tv shows? Even other police dramas?. When a person is kidnapped are there not an army of police monitoring phones and other electronics (email etc) and looking for evidence? This is the daughter of the Head of MI6 and I see no surveillance whatsoever.

Also why is the Head of MI6 walking around with barely any security, after his boss was poisoned. who let him just walk into a building alone saying he, "will be a few hours" without question.

Well he, the main character, died. I thought that was a twist.