Cannot fuckin wait.

Between this and Fede Alvarez's upcoming movie (that has absolutely zero to do with any of the previous films other than there's an Alien in it) I feel like fans of this property are going to be eating really well for the first time since... what, 1991?

I know you're not supposed to be getting your hopes up (it's kind of a bad era for that, as it turns out) but goddammit... I'm getting my hopes up here.

fun fact completely beside the point, so I'll put it in spoilers: >!"Xenomorph" isn't the name of the Alien species (it doesn't have a name) since the reason Cameron used the word in the first place was much like how "unobtanium" was used in Avatar: It was just used specifically to replicate emptyheaded corporate speak and you were supposed to think the person using it was a dipshit for using it. it worked in Avatar (worked too well there, really) but for whatever reason hardcore Alien fans legitimately think "xenomorph" sounds better than just calling it an alien, and completely missed the satire!<

Okay then

In Noah Hawley I trust

As cool as an 'Alien' series is, I'm just excited about some Fargo news. Hope it revisits the characters from season 1, especially.

Hope it's an origin story for the aliens so we can find out why they are so angry all the time

I liked 3 and Resurrection too, as different as they were. And I also ate very well with the AvP games and Isolation.

But yeah the Ridley nustuff was not good and neither were AvP movies.

Since 2012, Prometheus was pretty entertaining. Can’t say the same for Covenant, though.

I very much like Alien 3, but the version of it that made it really work as a conclusion to Ripley's story didn't come out until the DVD era. Not a fan of Resurrection, though.

Isolation is flat-out amazing at making you feel like you're in that world, absolutely. Love that game to death. I don't think the STORY in the game is all that notable, but that's not why the game works anyway, so it just needs to be good enough to get you to the next level/setpiece.

Covenant is a better movie than Prometheus is. Or at least it's more consistent at being what it's trying to be. Prometheus literally doesn't know what it wants to be and halfway through becomes a half-assed Blade Runner movie instead of an Alien one.

Covenant knows what it wants to be from jump and sticks to that pretty solidly. Prometheus is just a confused, frustrating mess (which makes sense once you watch the making-of documentary on the blu-ray).

I wouldn't say either of them are as good as the Alien 3 "assembly cut," which isn't a GREAT movie by any stretch, but is at least - fundamentally broken as it is, even in its best version - better at being a thematic closer to Ellen Ripley's story than either Prometheus or Covenant are at being chapters in the birth of the Alien.

edit: what in the world about those 3 paragraphs is setting people off. Jesus Christ.

I did too until I saw Fargo season 4. It wasn't the worst series I've made it through but it was a big step down in quality from the first 3 seasons.

I'm sure it'll be a fine series on its own, but seems like taking place on Earth would kind of undermine every movie where the whole point is not letting it get to Earth.

Jeezy, I thought this must be about to come out. Seems like I've been hearing about this production for years.

They wanted to do too much. none of the storylines were bad but none had enough time to be good either.

There's plenty to mine from having xenomorphs on Earth and under the control of Weyland-Yutani or whoever else. There was a great graphic novel trilogy in the 90s or early 2000s that covered this: Outbreak - Nightmare Asylum - The Female War.

All done by Mark Verheiden (before he did BSG) when they wouldn't use his script for Alien 3.

I only wait the movie not this series. Xenomorphs on Earth before Ripley and after the first Prometheus, why do we need this...

They watched Alien: Covenant

A human jumped on their mother and pushed her over a cliff.

I only hated that they killed off Hicks and Newt like they did. Rest of part 3 was ok.

Anybody who has seen Lucy in the Sky would not have blind faith in him. It’s bad.

I really liked the first 1/3 of Covenant, it felt "Alien" but afterwards falls apart into a convoluted mess with so many different things happening at once.

So like Rome Season 2?

You said nice things about Prometheus; people who hate Prometheus hate that.

You said nice things about Covenant; people who hate Covenant hate that.

You said nice things about Alien3; people who hate Alien3 hate that.

Then you edited; people who hate edits about downvotes hate that.

So what you're saying is I'm right and people hate that.

I should be used to this by now.

Am I alone in wanting a conclusion to David's story, even though Prometheus and Covenant had problems? I hope Scott finishes the trilogy.

It's cuz they got all those teeth, but no tooth brush

Season 4 also suffered heavily because of Covid. So it's somewhat understandable.

Yes yes yes

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The Rome showrunners were told it wouldn't be getting another season, so I'm pretty sure they sandwiched some of their plans for later seasons into Season 2. And hey, for die-hard fans and people even remotely familiar with the actual history, I'd say it still works.

Fargo Season 4 is mostly self-contained apart from a returning character from Season 2. I think the main issue with it wasn't the number of storylines, but rather how tangential some of them were. If someone liked some of the uh, weirder hijinks in the earlier seasons, I don't think they'd say the storylines weren't good. It's just that they weren't as good as the ones in Season 2. But that's a taaaaall order. There were tons of naysayers after Season 3 as well, but I've seen a lot of people reevaluating it over the years. I feel like Season 4 is gonna get the same treatment. It's not as good as Season 2, sure. But it's still good, and arguably better than most of the crap that was on TV back then or even now.

Wow only three years after they announced. Way to go, FX. What happened to this Damn network. In the mid-late 2000s FX were on their way to becoming an upper echelon network. And then they just threw in the towel.

I'd say they are pretty much second to HBO in terms of quality series on cable. Their Hulu deal is sweet too.

I would watch it, but I also feel like at this point, you can kinda fill in the blanks yourself, which I'd imagine would turn the movie into kind of a box-ticking exercise focused on plot:

1. David invents the Queen (probably experiments on himself to become some weird hybrid Engineer/Android thing)

2. Walter catches up with David

3. Walter tries to stop David from destroying Earth

4. Ship crashes on LV-426 in a spectacularly weird fashion

5. Alien.

Now, does the idea of a mad scientist movie starring JUST Michael Fassbender in space sound like something worth watching? Absolutely. And it'd probably give Ridley a lot of time to put a lot of his (close approximation to) philosophizing into the movie (basically the best parts of Covenant, really) so it wouldn't just be plotty plot plot. But I don't know that there's going to be a lot to it beyond that. Or that he wouldn't fuck up the execution even if he DID have a lot more to it beyond that initially (see: Prometheus).

It’s not really a Hulu “deal”. They are just all owned by the same parent company, Disney, and so a guy at a computer is just able to upload and bury it all on Hulu. What I’m saying is that they are nowhere close to having the same batting average as HBOMax in terms of quality, but they are horrific at marketing. It’s almost like they are keeping it a secret sometimes. I was just complaining about this earlier but I didn’t even know that the damn Sex Pistols tv show was out until like a month after it aired. When Hbomax is ready to drop new Game of Thrones, everyone in the WORLD knows about it.

I didn't mind it, I think a good amount of the episodes were finished prior to the pandemic so we can't really blame that.

Although I do think it was next to impossible to do anything that could conceivably compare to the first 3 seasons of this show. We'll see what happens with S5, but I feel like they might want to end it after that just for the sole fact that the bar was set so high with the first several seasons its just hard to duplicate or even come close to reaching that bar.

Damn, I did not know that fun fact you added. Anywhere you can direct me on where you got that?

Hasn't the show been anthology seasons so far, with different stories, characters, arcs, etc? I think it's basically zero chance the newest season has anything to do with season 1.

Chris rock just isn't a good actor either. A lot of those scenes were really hard to watch.

I thought it was solid until David shows up

There's always one character that connects it the previous. I kinda remember Hawley saying in an interview he wanted to do one more season that ties it all together.

I don’t see how Covenant knows what it wants to be. It goes from philosophising in the opening establishing the same tone as Prometheus to a really dumb slasher, interlaced with moments of Prometheus-like intrigue where it can’t help but fill in the blanks between the films (and that stuff being far more interesting than the slasher the film actually is). Then it’s never sure if it wants to be an alien film or an android film - I don’t think it’s nearly as deft as the original was at juggling both.

I know the Prometheus script had a dozen hands on it but what happened during production, I’ve never seen the BTS you mentioned.

I, uh, liked that one better than A^3 and Resurrection

One of the leads of this show is a 10 year old in the body of an androgynous warrior lady. This performance can make or break the show, Danai Gurira is the frontrunner for the role last I heard.

Oh man I can tell you so much about Season 5, ive been watching the pre-production of that series like a hawk.

Here is something: Jon Hamm plays Roy Tillman, the corrupt sheriff of Stark County North Dakota, who has formed a militia and turned his county into a lawless autonomous zone. Roy has built a political persona for himself and his campaign slogan is "A Hard Man For Hard Times".

Ridley Scott basically got wine drunk every day and messed up whatever was working that day

He gave it a try but he’s terrible. Saw and Amsterdam sealed it.

Sounds interesting. Is it set 2006ish, or did I mishear that?

It was weird. It was the worst season by far, but the black and white episode was probably my favorite in the entire series.

Its set in 2019. The premise starts out very similar to the movie, a man hires 2 hitmen to kidnap his (ex)wife. One hitman is a doofus named Donald Ireland (played by Devon Bostick), the other one is a norwegian psychopath named Ole Munch who speaks mainly in riddles and describes himself as a nihilist (played by Sam Spruell).

Hell yeah. I'm down.

I look forward to the blatant and heavy handed overuse of the soundtrack.

(Edit: I know it’s a jerk thing to say, but every Hawley product has several, several scenes with an extended, loud and clear music-only or music-high-in-the-mix scene, usually to lazily show the viewer how cool the protagonist or how badass the antagonist is. Once you notice it it’s all you’ll notice.)

I also enjoyed Prometheus.

This will be shooting around the same time as the new movie, Alien: Romulus. Though honestly I’m more excited for this.

So can we get male hero for this show now

/s

>and describes himself as a nihilist

we believe in nothing Lebowski

I watched the first couple seasons again recently and I've gotta say they don't hold up as well as I hoped. The seams are starting to show. The dude seems like a bit of a hack who did a serviceable job with those first two seasons then made a couple seasons that IMO weren't that good. Not gonna mark my calendar for s05.

I’m still convinced that COVID messed things up in the later episodes.

Not sure exactly how canon they’re considered, but Alien vs Predator takes place on Earth, so they’ve been on Earth already, just isolated.

did you decide he wasnt a good actor before or after the whole academy awards thing,because its funny how nobody brings up will smith's holier then thou attitude he had before that incident

i will agree with thrillhouse though that the saw movie he was in sucked

Also because of Chris Rock. He's a great comedian but was terrible in Fargo.

Does that upcoming movie have a name? I haven’t heard anything about this.

I liked them all. I just love this franchise.

Mah m-m-m-mama says

Also, it seems that actors known primarily for comedy (Rock + Schwartzman) are not that great at playing believable and intimidating mob bosses...

Wayyy before. He's fine in light drama / comedy roles when he just sorta plays himself, but any time he has to play a more serious or solemn character in like a thriller or realistic drama, he ends up sounding really forced and awkward...

Yeah true, but from what I can remember the connections are a very small part of the plot and don't really affect things in the actual show much - you have to kind of be looking for it to show up. You could watch each whole season independently without even realizing those characters are connected and you wouldn't feel like you missed anything.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-throwaway-line-in-aliens-that-spawned-decades-of-confusion/

Yeah, Rome had a five season plan with season 2 ending with Brutus’ death, 3 and 4 focusing on the stuff with Egypt, and 5 focusing on the rise of Jesus. Ultimately they squished seasons 3 and 4 into season 2 which is why it rushes through everything.

The balls it must take to take this on knowing how fans of the franchise will destroy anyone who does it wrong. God's speed Noah. Don't fuck up

I had the displeasure of going to the world premiere. So disappointed. Hawley was there to introduce it and it was clear he knew it was dogshit. He really didn't want to be there - and seemed to almost have contempt for the audience

Can they please retcon those awful prequels?

Speaking of FX, when the fuck does their Shogun series comes out?

It has been years since they talked of it.

His Saw movie felt like a reconstruction video of a real crime.

If I remember correctly it had something to do with contracts or some such? There is a back story to that you should look up to that script I know it’s enlightening

I like ‘em all

All the Rome props and costumes all burned in a fire as well. Am I remembering that correctly?

Were they in an engineer ship at the end of covenant?

Would love to see a Rome revival with the same creators focusing on another point in Roman history

I only just watched that recently, the first half was alright

Doesn't Scott also have to explain the distress signal in Alien?

Spiral was really bad too, I remember being really excited for him when both projects were being made, thinking he was going to have a great couple of years.

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I always get downvoted for saying this but the med bay scene in Covenant, everything from the ship landing with the search party looking for Shaw up to David showing up with the flare, is absolute best thing we've gotten from of the Alien universe since Aliens.

The sense of dread, Jed Kurzel's incredible otherworldly, haunting score. It's a masterclass in ramping up the tension, the backburster, the visceral and brutal violence, just looking at those 15-20 minutes in a vaccum, it is absolute perfection.

No CGI!

Alien: Romulus

No way S1 was really a well done show, Key & Peele, Billy Bob, Hobbit dude

It may not be Breaking Bad but it’s really good.

Alien show that's not really about the alien, but about people - pass.

I frankly hate the concept that the aliens AND the alien queen are all a simple invention by a human-made android. It completely cheapens the mystique of the Alien itself by turning it into yet another "folly of man" story.

What are you talking about? FX has been killing it

None of the AvP movies are canon to the original Alien universe. They're just fun alternate history fanfiction films.

This year 😊

… bro sick

So airdate probably early 2025

I remember hearing that some of the writers didn’t like the Newt character so many of the scripts had her dying. Still wish those characters got better endings even if they died in 3.

I read this in Brian Cox' voice

It'll probably suck, but I'm excited nonetheless.

Ditto. Will never forgive Alien 3 for that. I was happy to see everyone die in 3. Fucking nihilist bullshit. Watching that movie is like having the flu for two hours.

Let them do the Punic Wars.

Xeno = Alien/Strange, Morph = Genetic variant of an animal.

It makes sense to use that word, instead of the generic "Aliens", specially after the "Arcturians" line or when the franchise is linked with franchises like Predator (which are aliens too). And also if we consider than the aliens adapt to the animal they come from...

Hope it doesn’t get cancelled after two seasons and leave all kinds of plot points unresolved!

The door that finally opens

Keith Carradine was the main cop's father in season 1. In season 2, the main law enforcement character is the younger version of that character played by Patrick Wilson. And another character ends up being a minor head gangster from season 1. Several characters from season 1 return at the very end in a brief flashforward. Season 3's main connection was bringing back one of the characters from season 1. And season 4 includes an origin story for an antagonist in season 2.
Adding to that, the first season connects to the movie as well via the case of money.
The connections never really matter to the plot but do somewhat make the world all feel a bit more connected.

Honestly, this might be the perfect time. It's a fanbase that has already seen extremely low lows. I think it really only has to not be a mess to have people enjoying it. Loving it is a different story.

Isn't that the general concept of the series? Even the original Alien was about Ripley and her team.

I thought the whole ghost thing was out of place (which is odd when I loved the UFO in Season 2) and the whole thing with Satchel being Mike was too on the nose.

Still I love Salvatore Esposito and I'm glad he got to be in a Hollywood production.

>Xeno = Alien/Strange, Morph = Genetic variant of an animal.

I didn't say people were confused by what it meant. I said they misunderstood why Gorman was using it, or why Cameron put it in his mouth.

It's not a name for the species. It's a name to specify what a fuckin nitwit Company Man Gorman is.

And then the Fandom started talking like him

Please don’t suck.

Not a hardcore fan but .. it does really sound better. Alien can meaning anything from xenomorph, independence day aliens to E.T. or maybe Paddington.

However Xeno already has this dark vibes swinging with it. While most people obviously (hopefully?) know Xeno just means "foreigner“ so people should hopefully recognize that Xenomorph is just slang / combo to describe a foreign thing that well .. morphs, drastically changes it’s form/mutates

Well it’s hard to integrate a 12 year old long term. Newts role in 2 was great but what should they do? Copy & paste? Risk of making her an even more badass character which might result in the same criticism that star trek TNG recieved? A kid smarter than everyone, solving every problem etc

I also want a conclusion just to see how it ends. Cause I’m not sure how you can make the jump from the eggs and fully formed baby aliens to the eggs in the original with the chest bursters. It’ll have to be a pretty long movie to fill in the evolution

No

He might be the perfect person for this.

You better be sniffing your fucking armpit

Ooo, Fargo S5… can’t wait

And thank god for that

Aliens Earth War begs to differ. I seem to recall several Aliens stories set on Earth. Before and after Aliens took over.

No it doesn’t. It makes it cooler.

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Love that novel series. Great recommendation

I enjoyed them all, I mean I can appreciate the newer ones weren’t as good, maybe I’m a bit too forgiving since I absolutely love the world and alien story, I grew up watching the films, reading comics and playing the games (avp was amazing on pc) and just really enjoy any content that helps fill in the history/lore and has some cool as xenonorphs in it!

Agreed, I love the Prometheus and Covenant movies, and Scott does amazing work building up that world. I want to know more about the engineers and see David's story concluded. The aliens imho are not really that interesting to see over and over again. I get it, they're scary monsters, ooo, as if it hasn't been done to death a million times. I want to see people take risks and the stage-play vibes of these two films works great!

Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't want it to be all about the first season folks, just an update or a cameo because it is my favorite. If it's the final season, I think going full-circle would be a good move.

Some of the books have the aliens on Earth, I think. Might not be remembering this exactly but it's something about harvesting alien honey as a cure for something. Technology has advanced enough that we have suits that completely withstand their acid, we can neuter them with pheromones etc

David is Michael Fassbender’s best role. So chilling

No, I am with you. Plus I liked the two movies. We're they the best thing ever, no.

You did not mention Jesus Christ before, so I don't think he has anything to do with setting people off.

If you had a double set like they do, I think you would have a hard time cleaning them. I think they have lockjaw from the inner set of teeth moving forward.

Yeah I would agree but maybe for different reasons. I think Ridley Scotts contributions have carried the franchise. James Cameron made an awesome action movie, but didn't add to the world that much. So I'm hoping this results in more world building like we saw in Prometheus and covenant

The obsession with explaining every detail has really dragged the franchise down. Same as the Space Jockey.

I agree. It was a huge departure even tonally and I feel that Chris Rock was miscast. I remember wondering how much of the production was hindered by Covid at the time. It’s unfortunate because I liked the premise, but the execution was just not up to par with the first three seasons (of which I feel #2 was the strongest). It gave me reservations for sure on Hawley’s handling of the Alien series.

Will it be cancelled like Raised by Wolves?

That's a cool tidbit.

But I'll still call it Xeno. It DOES sound better. In my opinion at least.

you always were an asshole, Gorman

Looking forward to this and the new film but I can’t lie there’s a part of me that’s gutted we won’t get to see the completion of the prequel films. I personally enjoyed covenant and I would’ve at least liked for them to finish that series

Really? I thought Chris Rock was good but the plot was just kinda messy

> Not a fan of Resurrection, though.

Resurrection is just not a good movie. It's too tonally jarring, and took a lot of talented people and put them in a place where they weren't working to their strengths. The took a talented French arthouse film director and tried to have him make a boilerplate sci-fi film. And then they took a comedic writer and tried to have him write a serious science fiction script.

So what you have is basically an Alien film that is bizarre in both its aesthetic and its plot, trying too hard to be clever and funny while still trying to remain horrific. Cast with a bunch of fairly good actors who all seem to think they are in different movies.

Alien 3 is a flawed film from a great visionary director like David Fincher, and as much as Fox screwed with him and the production, sending him into shooting with a film where the sets were already half finished, but the script was still being changed, you can see David Fincher's directorial vision stamped all across it.

Resurrection has this weird mishmash of Jean Pierre Jeunet (Amelie, City of Lost Children, Delicatessen) trying to direct a film written by Joss Whedon (at the time, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and rewrites for Speed, Toy Story and Waterworld), as a sequel to a franchise that was dark and horrific body/creature horror set in a bleak corporate future. Whedon's script not only abandoned the bleak corporate future (there's a deleted scene joke about Weyland Yutani, the company from the first three films, having been bought out by Walmart), Jeunet seemed to struggle with the "dark and horrific" part. About the only part of the film that seemed "on brand" is the fairly great scene where she comes across the other Ripley clones. It's the one part of the film where there are no attempts to cram in a joke, a visual gag, or be anything other than horrific, and Jeunet's flair for the bizarre actually helped the film rather than hurt it.

The main reason some Alien fans hate Alien 3 is they never got over Noot and Hix dying in the opening scene. Otherwise, the Assembly Cut (later remastered as the "Special Edition") is a fantastic character piece about sacrifice and redemption. That original ending where she just falls into the molten lead and the Alien isn't born is incredibly powerful, ruined completely in the theatrical release with a chestbursting scene that removes the sacrifice element. The score by Eliot Goldenthal is top notch too, probably the best of the franchise.

Mostly just timing. Originally they didn't think they could get Sigourney Weaver back. She was too famous by then and hadn't been interested in making Aliens until they gave her a fat paycheck. Fox assumed she was done with the franchise, which is why early versions of Alien 3 (including the first treatments by Neuromancer author William Gibson) either didn't feature Ripley at all, or in a tiny cameo.

But, eventually Weaver relented and agreed to be in the film, but by then, Michael Biehn (Hicks) was booked solid for 2 years, including in the timeframe where they wanted film Alien 3 with Weaver. Hicks was the central character in the William Gibson Alien III (and does his own voice alongside Lance Henriksen in the fairly-good audio drama adaptation released a few years back). But his character wasn't considered essential to Fox, so they went with a script that didn't utilize Hicks, which was essentially a mashup of ideas from previous iterations, mostly Vincent Ward's version, only moved from a weird wooden planet (yeah, who knows) to a prison, and Ward's monks turned into a religious cult of prisoners. I'm assuming they just decided it was too hard to get from Aliens to an Alien 3 set on a prison planet without just killing off Newt and Hicks.

> Covenant is a better movie than Prometheus is

This sounds like a gingivitis vs lip cancer argument. I'd rather just not have either.

After Season 4 of Fargo (the first I didn't finish), I'm a little worried.

This show has the capability to be great, but it has a lot of conceptual red flags going around. The fact that it seems to be surrounding this transhuman "lost sister" plot makes me worry. Don't get me wrong, I love transhumanist science fiction. But I also don't want to see the Alien get sidelined in its own show.

Covenant is for real ones only and in like 5-10 years we're gonna see people turn around on it like they did with Prometheus. All the initial hate is from fanboys who don't know what they want from an Alien movie, so people who aren't as emotionally attached will start appreciating it for its unique qualities.

>unobtanium

That's still very much a real term used by real scientists and researchers.

If it's anything like Covenant, they'll probably just say "David spent a lot of time experimenting on cryo-sleeping colonists until he got a batch that's just like the original Alien."

Holy shit,relax a little bit.

LOL what?

what... about anything you're reading makes you think I'm excited?

That's a you thing, my guy. Don't know what to tell you.

Edit: lol, fuckin fandom. Evergreen insecurity

Yeah. It was one of the first shows I got excited about and then saw it collapse. Just embarrassing how little of a spark, when it deserved so much more. Reminded me of when Poochie had to “go back to his home world”.

Yea not sure why OP is trying to act like "Xenomorph" is some strange hardcore fan only name that should be changed. It's an awesome name and it clearly denotes which movie monster you are talking about. It's not "satire", it's a good name. Imagine trying to talk about your favorite movie monsters and being like "Oh I like the Alien!" yea which alien. "You know! The Alien! From... The space... movie.."

The Thing fans already have this issue.

This crap is really happening?

They aren't?

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Andrew Bird, as in the musician, Andrew Bird?

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ALIENS is my favorite movie. Noah Hawley is one of my favorite authors. And I love Fargo. I cannot freakin wait for this!!