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nosnevenaes t1_je3cli0 wrote

Imagine the impact this instrument would make on people before recorded music was a thing.

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cboel t1_je3ecim wrote

It was the equivalent of the newest cellphone of its day. Music in the form of singing, chanting, whistling, etc. had been around long before that instrument was made and it was likely a progressive improvement over something like a large grass or reed stalk.

We don't tend to find those types of things being preserved though in archaeology sites. We know they had to exist due to seeing technologically less advanced peoples in more modern ages being documented making and use them.

A standard mouth whistle that you see referees use at sports events, for example, likely has origins even further back.

https://youtu.be/JZysi-6xqjE

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[deleted] t1_je56b6s wrote

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nosnevenaes t1_je56jgb wrote

They did not have buns back then.

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Kwando-D-Hornblower t1_je5iidf wrote

Yes they did. Prove me wrong.

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nosnevenaes t1_je5mfbb wrote

Well. Buns require leavening yes?

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Whoretron8000 t1_je6159v wrote

Idk, we just found evidence of cooking fish 780,000 years ago, we are slowly learning more as we go and I wouldn't be surprised if our estimates on manipulating yeasts to make fluffy grain paste are off by a few-tens of thousand years.

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nosnevenaes t1_je63sw7 wrote

Catching fish is easier to figure out than how to make dough rise.

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Whoretron8000 t1_je64j0q wrote

Sure, I don't think catching fish and cooking it is so much the surprise, but the discrepancy between what we previously knew and what we know now in regards to what evidence suggests is what's surprising... How wrong we could potentially be until we learn more.

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nosnevenaes t1_je65ar8 wrote

This is true. Yes. But if you make bread one of the first thoughts that comes to mind while you are proofing dough is how long did it did it take mf'ers to figure this out?

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Whoretron8000 t1_je6f55o wrote

For some reason I instantly pictured a chronological display of all the different breads made with different grains, yeasts, proof times etc. In a museum.

Is it possible a neanderthal just found some extra crushed grain sitting in some water that got mashed by the weight or something.. and they cooked it and tried to recreate it? Was it methodical? Accident? How many got sick trying different iterations. Oooh possibilities.

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nosnevenaes t1_je6hp0v wrote

ok yeah making the bread is not the hard part. it is getting an agent into the bread to make it rise, such as yeast, or sourdough, etc.

that is the innovation which would have taken a long ass time to come up with.

so they might have had hot cross crackers, hardtac, or whatever - i mean even the last supper - what did jesus and the crew eat? unleavened bread.

the romans didnt have it as far as i know.

i think the bread we eat today (which i love) is a relatively new thing.

i am not dragging chatGPT into this!

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Albyross t1_je5q965 wrote

When you said impact, at first I thought you meant the force a person would feel from being bludgeoned on the head by it.

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2poxxer t1_jecgcq5 wrote

So, youre sitting on a small stream bank fluting for the fish ans some damn Cromag jumps up to take yo shit. Nah, blast em with this whistling club and keep yo shit. If anyone hasnt watched it yet, the film Iceman seems to capture how things likely were for a long time.

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