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live4lax25 t1_iueg4bz wrote

There is no more creative or powerful force in the world than people trying to get messed up on things that are prohibited to them. If it was applied differently we could have cured cancer or gone to fuckin Jupiter, but noooooo they had to make teenage me drive 3 hours on a Tuesday night cause someone’s brothers friend could probably get an eighth

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brock_lee t1_iueigu5 wrote

You could also buy yeast cakes that had a "warning" that said something like "DO NOT mix this yeast with two gallons of grape juice and allow to sit at room temperature in a vented container for four weeks, or an illegal beverage will result."

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marmorset t1_iuempee wrote

Interesting article, it's a good lesson on the law of unintended consequences.

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Stilcho1 t1_iuenn5g wrote

Sounds a lot like having to tell a doctor "I need weed cuz my eyes don't work"

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RichardStinks t1_iueq3pv wrote

At The Vid, they had two options: a can of tomato soup for $8 or a $15 Hot Pocket.

There was no stove. No microwave.

The blue laws were changed later, but this is what it took to serve liquor on Sundays in Indiana.

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Bri-guy15 t1_iueu7ur wrote

The pub in my town sells growlers of beer to go, but due to some weird quirk of the liquor laws you technically have to buy food with it. So they add 25¢ and give you a little Halloween-sized bag of chips. Yesterday I got cheezies with my pale ale.

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cheeseportandgrapes t1_iuf0y6g wrote

Reminds me of pubs being able to serve you during the covid nonsense as long as you ate a scotch egg. Over a hundred years later from this article and not much different. Things don’t really change.

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hastur777 t1_iuf6h46 wrote

Same thing happened in my state until the law was changed - breweries needed to offer food to sell carry out. So they had very silly overpriced menus - like a can of soup for $10. Technically available, just never ordered.

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BostonBlueDevil t1_iufacww wrote

I just read that whole article to not at any point find out what was in a Raines sandwich. Kind of bullshit.

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blackbirdbluebird17 t1_iufdq1o wrote

Yeah, during the pandemic in New York open container laws were lifted so you could buy to-go cocktails — but you had to get food with them. Bars would give out little packs of pretzels or cheap chips with the drinks, we called them Cuomo chips.

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Boomer848 t1_iufdzsk wrote

“an old desiccated ruin of dust-laden bread and mummified ham or cheese”. I doubt there was a recipe, by the sounds of it. Start with bread that sounds like a 2x4 when you strike it against the table, add fuzzy cheese, maybe a slice of over-aged sandwich meat, skip the mayo, that will just smell foul (fowl? Because it’s made of eggs?) add some sauerkraut, just to make sure it smells kinda funky, and bam! You got a soup going… no, wait, that’s a sandwich.

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em21701 t1_iufnvmz wrote

During the lunacy of covid closures, restaurants were allowed to open, bars were not. Bars started serving fries to every table. I don't think that rule lasted a week. They did start allowing alcohol takeout and delivery from liquor stores though.

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CheesyBadger t1_iufptzp wrote

They had a rule in the UK that you could only consume alcohol with a "substantial meal" to try and prevent a bunch of people sitting around the bar in close quarters just drinking. So pub owners tried to tiptoe the line of what constituted a substantial meal. Many just offered a scotch egg since it was something relatively cheap on the menu that their patrons could order and then drink the rest of the night with their "substantial meal."

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gitismatt t1_iufrtc1 wrote

I went to a place in San Diego that served one chicken nugget and a single French fry. They also said don’t actually eat it because as long as the food is on the table you can order more drinks 😂

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aaksfdkas t1_iufrv0i wrote

A bunch of restaurants near me (NYC) started serving take-out alcohol over Covid. They all say you need a substantial meal online, but I've never tested what counts as "substantial".

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thecoolerllcoolJ t1_iuftd2h wrote

After the first covid lock down, San Diego required food to be purchased to drink. A stupid law to keep bars closed. A dive bar down the road from me sold microwaved corn dogs or hotdogs with drinks and it actually ended up being pretty nice.

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Xanny-the-Nanny t1_iufu1q0 wrote

Places in Utah have similar work-arounds. A brewery across the walking bridge from Watchmen Campground in Zion National Park used to a great selection of small appetizers for $2-3. Beer wasn’t bad either.

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poboy212 t1_iufvcm9 wrote

NYC bars were doing this when the city required food orders with any booze consumed outside or to go. Bar near me would hand you an orange that you’d just keep on your table and return when done.

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221 t1_iufwm4p wrote

Irish restaurants were the same, you needed to order a "substantial meal worth at least 9 euro", so there was places that would give you a dirty plate and a fake receipt with your drink.

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OldMork t1_iufxfyt wrote

Never seen myself but some bars in Sweden also had this, could only serve alcohol if ordered food so they had somekind of sandwich that was not ment to be eaten, it was just passed around among beer buyers.

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BlazinAzn38 t1_iufzsb5 wrote

The way some liquor laws used to work in Texas was bars could only sell liquor if they were a “private club” so places started selling lifetime memberships for $10 and as a new member it came with a free drink. Liquor laws don’t do anything; they’re so dumb. We also still have the laws that you can’t purchase liquor New Year’s Eve or Day so people just buy the day before Eve. Just makes stores more congested

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QuentinUK t1_iug0hfe wrote

During lockdown a Scotch Egg was defined as a "substantial meal" so people could drink in the pub.

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drekwithoutpolitics t1_iug2qs3 wrote

Gosh does anyone know if something like this happened during covid restrictions? Maybe in NYC?

/s

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fucklawyers t1_iug347x wrote

Open container’s so fucking stupid. I lived in the woods when I hit drinking age, and you’re telling me after moving to a city now that I can actually leave my property after half of a light beer, I’m not supposed to do it with a beer?! Like to the point that off-duty cops will ruin your life with it, and your boss is gonna at a minimum call you in the office about it? They don’t even suspend that shit for downtown celebrations anymore, they have like 40 cops on fuck-your-fun patrol.

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BookerCatchanSTD t1_iug3tx8 wrote

You didn’t save time at all it is literally within the first six lines of the article. Don’t take the comments of Internet strangers seriously. In this case, you’ve relied on the word of an illiterate gorilla.

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SavageComic t1_iug6l3q wrote

My favourite legal workaround was that when the smoking ban came in you could do it if you were an actor in a play. So this bar owner turned the back room into a black box theatre, and people would smoke in there. Said it was an improvised piece

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RealDanStaines t1_iug871s wrote

I have never heard of the Raines Sandwich before, but I guess everything old is new again! In early summer 2020 in California, restaurants were allowed to reopen with limited seating, but bars were not. There is a brewery in Paso Robles that never had a kitchen, but they reopened anyway. You had to buy a 50¢ Cup-o-noodles with every pint, so that technically alcohol was only being served with food. But it was a sealed noodle cup, with no hot water. And there was a barrel discreetly placed at the end of the bar for receiving "donated" noodle cups.

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woundedbearhair t1_iug8ahv wrote

Some restaurants in Utah used to do stuff like that because you couldn’t just have alcohol if you were at a restaurant bar. They’d give you some bread or something like that to get around it. This one place my friends worked at would give you a slice of bread when you sat. It was just a piece of bread…on a plate…nothing else.

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TivoDelNato t1_iug96wc wrote

This must be what the deal was with all the brick sandwiches in Kentucky Route Zero.

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0ranje t1_iug9njo wrote

Or, hear me out, it could be exactly as written in the article, where it says the sandwich (of whichever inferred composition) was plopped down with drink, then picked up again to be served with the next order and kept in rotation for aboot a week.

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Hello-There-GKenobi t1_iug9qmq wrote

Reminds me of that story of how a business wanted to sell water but the venue banned it to promote more alcohol sells. So what they did instead was charge $1 for a peanut shell and along with it came a free bottle of water.

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MogMcKupo t1_iug9vmy wrote

Same here, a dive I like had a hot dog roller and they’d just put a two dollar charge on your bill, if you went and got a hot dog, that was your own prerogative but you played by Newsoms rules.

The place isn’t amazing or grand, but it’s one of those places that a lot of older dudes grump to grump and it’s fun to watch sports with them

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Dr1ft3d t1_iugb1wi wrote

That’s doing it right. Everywhere around me just charged $3-$8 for a $1 bag of chips. One place offered a cup of olives for $6. It was 3 black olives in a sauce cup.

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DilbertHigh t1_iugfb8p wrote

Utah sounds like it would be no fun.

I get that there are beautiful places to go and explore but there are beautiful places to go explore everywhere. I don't want to also navigate the most convoluted laws in a place that has far too many soda shoppes.

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elchinguito t1_iugfxf6 wrote

I’ve lived in New Orleans my entire adult life and I’ve almost gotten ticketed in other cities more times than I can count because I completely fucking forget open container laws are a thing.

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Vicith t1_iuggc3c wrote

At the very least a sizeable junk of kansas residents live near the missouri border, just hop over to Missouri if you want liquor on sunday lol.

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mcgoolie_brains t1_iuggxix wrote

Born and raised... open container laws are so foreign to me. I hear there are some places that don’t have drive through daiquiri shops, but seriously who’s not adult enough to wait till they get home to pull their tape back and enjoy that sweet sweet frozen hurricane.

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TazzyKC t1_iugiiyy wrote

There's a Kings liquor over at State line and a bar named Ugly Joes just a few feet away. Both lots were packed with KS plates every Sunday.

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virgilreality t1_iugiwxr wrote

Now, instead of "Raines Sandwiches", they just call them "Big Macs".

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BigLittleWolfCat t1_iuglej1 wrote

Raine’s Law Room in NYC is named after this, and is an incredible cocktail bar!

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ousalsa t1_iugp1h4 wrote

Similarities during covid restrictions and booze.

Boston 2021

I had to also purchase a food item to get booze. Lol okay. I was like Lemme get 2 shots, 2 beers, and cheesecake.

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Korncakes t1_iugt5ak wrote

I remember a few bars selling little bags of chips and pretzels in San Diego to skirt the law. I forget where it was but the bartender was like “I gotta charge you $1, you want a bag of chips or no?”

No thank you I do not want your child sized bag of original flavored Lay’s but charge me whatever you need to brother. We would just get outside food delivered to the bar anyway.

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GeebusNZ t1_iugtbkh wrote

At some point, I'm going to talk to my doctor about my difficulty getting to sleep. In the past, they've mentioned about how much better I was doing when I was active in sports, which I said that was when I was regularly consuming cannabis but have since stopped (because I don't have the black market connections). They're aware that cannabis helps me, but can't prescribe it for anxiety or depression, or even bring it up for discussion for what it could be prescribed for, because of the laws here. If, however, I'm having trouble sleeping, they might be able to prescribe me a herbal remedy which can be made into a tea (because selling dried plant matter for consumption via the lungs is illegal owing to potential harm).

... FUCK the laws around here!

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prajesh1986 t1_iuguvxl wrote

I hear this about the prohibition era bars and always why they didn't serve some real bar snacks and get around it? Like sell peanuts or chips or something?

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dccabbage t1_iugv7wp wrote

My state requires 3 hot and 2 cold options for food if you are selling "spirits" (liquor) so there are a couple of dives that offer over priced hungry man dinners (microwaved) and chips/pretzels. Even pre pandemic, that is the way.

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Fuzzpot t1_iugvrm6 wrote

I'm not a fan of alcohol. I think it's stupid how ubiquitous it is. But even I can see the only way to manage it is like with tobacco. Just a simple extra sales tax.

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bobnla14 t1_iugzyk4 wrote

Back in the 80s liquor agents for Kansas used to hang out on 103rd or 75th street and would catch people driving back from Missouri liquor stores. But that is lawyer/big business owner neighborhoods. So someone told them to cut that stuff out quite quickly.

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Korncakes t1_iuh2e4w wrote

I haven’t gone to bars much for a while but at least a solid few beer/wine only bars in San Diego allow it. It’s pretty fucking rad honestly, most of them are in areas with lots of food options around so if someone in your group isn’t feeling one place and everyone else is, everyone can eat what they want.

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UnconstructiveLover t1_iuh4v7z wrote

In Queensland it has to be ( or had to be last time I did my RMLV) a meal that you would typically eat with a knife and fork. Chips or garlic bread or a toastie didn’t count Edit I’m thinking of on certain public holidays, Christmas Day and Anzac Day.

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lilmisswho89 t1_iuh5qt0 wrote

I’m in Vic, I held a liquor license for a bar for a while so I was relatively good with the laws. What I learnt most of all is that VGLR enforces the law based on context. The food rule is gonna be a lot more strict at a sit down bar than at a nightclub, but the reverse would be true for the water rule.

As the dude who ran my liquor license training said, (paraphrase) sometimes it’s safer to stick a drunk in the corner and ply them with water and food until they sober up a bit, is that what the law says? No, but that’s why laws are written vaguely, so common sense can prevail. (Liquor license people are not cops but they work with cops so have that argument elsewhere)

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kombimon t1_iuhfp6w wrote

The ZOO used to have thus licence in the Valley. You'd get a plaster plate with a ham slice rolled up, a manky salad on a cling wrapped plate to get through the door with entry fee. A bin on the other side of entry full of plates that I'm sure were recycled!

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Epic-McPhail t1_iuhrmtp wrote

Now we have sticker stores for weed. Buy a sticker for a price of 25-55 bucks and you get a free gift.

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tedfundy t1_iuhvetc wrote

In San Francisco I had to buy a cold $2 slice of pizza. Bars there have to offer food I guess? I didn’t ask. Just tossed it and enjoyed my beer.

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withoutsomuchratinit t1_iui02k7 wrote

Well there's bread cake ... bread sorbet ... bread pudding ... or strawberry tart.

Man Strawberry tart?!

Woman Well, it's got some bread in it.

Man How much?

Woman Three (rather a lot really).

Man ... well, I'll have a slice without so much bread in it.

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KieshaK t1_iui0ehl wrote

Ah, yes, the “Cuomo Snacks” of the prohibition era.

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GeebusNZ t1_iui16dm wrote

"Legal medical" is really stretching the situation. Almost no-one is aware that it is available via prescription, doctors aren't able to bring up the matter, and it's NZD300 for 10g.

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tracerhoosier t1_iui2rno wrote

In Lafayette, Louisiana there was a bar that would offer a free plate dinner to you on Sunday. Even if you said no they would put the plate in front of you because the parish blue laws were you could buy alcohol as long as you were served food.

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thecoolerllcoolJ t1_iuiaqaq wrote

Never has a bar get mad about outside food. This dive bar I was talking about had a couple nice ethnic places in the same strip mall. Normally drink a little grab some food and if felt like it just go back to the bar to eat it.

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loftySeat t1_iuiludp wrote

Interesting - when bars first opened pre-covid out here in Vegas (Nevada, U.S), they had to give people food in order to stay open. One local bar would put an old cheese sandwich in the middle of your table, and reuse the same sandwich for up to a week. Another would hand out snack-sized bags of chips.

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RobtheNavigator t1_iuinz0a wrote

For real, I can't imagine why a bar wouldn't at least have some kind of prepackaged food just for profit reasons. Drunk people want food and they can either leave your bar to get it or stay and keep drinking.

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michaelothomas t1_iuioltp wrote

My favorite bar here in NYC is a speakeasy called "The Raines Law Room".

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m1rrari t1_iuj2dfb wrote

That’s fair. Acronyms are the worst, they trade brevity for clarity. I campaign against them at work and in other spaces for this exact reason. Sadly they are going no where. NA could just have easily been a “North American” beer or something else*

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FeteFatale t1_iujxs0m wrote

We didn't quite get to prohibition in New Zealand, but we (along with Australia) got what became known as the "six o'clock swill", because it was a race to get as much beer in from the end of the working day until the pubs shut an hour later.

To get around this one notorious pub started serving 'meals' that were nothing more than a bowl of rice. For 2/6 (approx 25 cents) you'd get an extra four hours drinking time.

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