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JosZo OP t1_iugw9vh wrote
Isn't this just semantics? Don't doing something out of fear isn't the same as don't wanting to do something, but the outcome is the same, don't doing it out of preferences.
wednesdaytwelve t1_iugwf28 wrote
This study brought to you by
The Thieves.
Vlacas12 t1_iugwwgb wrote
No, it's not the same. Not doing something out if fear of discovery has nothing to do with it being a preference, an inside factor of the offender that doesn't change the outcome, but it being a necessity to not to be discovered, which does potentially change the outcome and is guided by outside factors.
foomy45 t1_iugx6uf wrote
They prefer to not be discovered, therfore they like doing stuff that doesn't lead to that.
Firebug160 t1_iugyq3u wrote
You’re being nitpicky. You probably are salty about misinterpreting the title and are taking it out on OP. Yes the wording is ambiguous. No they aren’t wrong. Thieves don’t like using lights bc it causes suspicion. Don’t be a dick
Liesthroughisteeth t1_iugzimr wrote
Worked night shift at a large Canadian Grocery chain store from 11:00PM to 7:00AM. We had an electrical crew scheduled one night because they were having issue with the main power feed coming into the store.
As I pulled into the store parking lot it was black, no store lights no parking lot lights....nothing. I roll up and one of the guys I work with is being helped into the store. He had just been attacked by two guys as he was getting out of his car. They wanted the car and he didn't like that idea so they roughed him up some and pepper sprayed him right in the face and eyes. They didn't get the car though. :)
This was no coincidence this happened the only time this store and it's workers had been left outside in the dark. I had never ever seen any sign of or heard anything like this sort of thing at the store the in the 7 yeas I had been showing up there every night at 10:45 pm.
Shitheads love the dark. You want to keep shitheads away from your home, keep porch lights on, front and back and even better..... install motion sensor lights. :)
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iuh1i43 wrote
I feel like this is written by someone in their basement going by their gut feeling… thieves just bust a window and grab what is inside. Doesn’t matter what it is, they will find out once they leave the area.
My old neighborhood had a problem with a whole crew some nights. The first person would quickly walk up a whole block, breaking the windows of cars along the way. A second (or more) person followed and just snagged the shit out of the inside of cars. Speed is the name of the game.
YumericanPryde t1_iuh4guf wrote
this is a perfect example that specialization leads to economies of scale
NautilusPanda t1_iuh4hrr wrote
Hieronymus Lex would like to know your location
monkeypox_69 t1_iuh55x4 wrote
Located in Thebes
MoisturizedSocks t1_iuh6qi6 wrote
DominicJourdyn t1_iuhd75y wrote
Where I live, if that.
Ive done security for 5 years, I’ve seen people just go up, smash a window, walk away. Didn’t even look, didn’t grab anything.
I even had a coworker who was angry, confused, and almost glad; they smashed her window, and her very full very expensive gym bag and equipment were in the back completely untouched.
They took nothing, just smashed then left. It made her claim more difficult ironically because “how do we know you didn’t break it yourself if nothing was stolen” ( she did get it sorted, but cmon ICBC, we had them on fuckin camera for you…)
JoLeTrembleur t1_iuhdyt4 wrote
Go home Vex, yo drunk!
Just_OneReason t1_iuhhez1 wrote
Only time my car was “broken” into (left it unlocked) and had stuff stolen was when the streetlight in front of my house was burned out.
Atoning_Unifex t1_iuhhg81 wrote
Titlegore
Jimothy_McGowan t1_iuhho5c wrote
Exactly. One of my friends told me the story of when someone robbed his car. Smashed a window, stole a set of golf clubs. They found the bag of clubs and all it's contents in a bush not too long after. Turns out, the thief realized he didn't want them, once he'd realized what he'd taken
william-o t1_iuhie58 wrote
Should just retitle this "Suburban basement-dwelling keyboard warrior is a self-proclaimed expert on inner city crime."
Sparkle_Flippyfoot t1_iuhjt1t wrote
“They call me Hieronymus Flex, ‘cause I’m on the lambo”
seanyseanerson t1_iuhl01i wrote
I feel like this is written by a thief looking to create more thiefing opportunities.
Kohouteky t1_iuhlcqq wrote
Should just retitle this "Basement dwelling troll who just posts his opinions of other people, adding little to a conversation."
fetishfeature5000 t1_iuhnp9v wrote
Alternately, doesn’t the light help prevent assaults?
Legitimate_Ad5848 t1_iuhoyj8 wrote
Finally, economics i learnt in school came to use
mr_friend_computer t1_iuhp1g9 wrote
The thing is, breaking into cars is usually done either in secluded places where a flash light won't be seen (secluded as in, farther side of the parking lot or otherwise far enough away from prying eyes) or at a time when most people aren't otherwise up and about.
You don't see too many sprees during the day (barring a remote/unmonitored location), although a smash and grab can easily happen any time.
mr_friend_computer t1_iuhp4nb wrote
Either helps prevent or helps potential victims spot predators before they are in grab/strike range.
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RunningRunnerRun t1_iuhqa6p wrote
Yeah. I had my window broken and the thief didn’t take anything. I even had a one dollar bill in a compartment that they opened, but I guess that wasn’t enough to bother taking.
auntiepink t1_iuhqv6e wrote
Not worried about theft as much as someone hiding around or in my car.
gerkletoss t1_iuhqvxj wrote
Maybe? Never seen a study on it.
Aelok t1_iuhr6fc wrote
I wouldn't touch a $1 bill in a strangers car. Too many stripper cracks and cocaine boogers on singles.
froghorse3345 t1_iuhrhhv wrote
This is why Batman parks his car in a cave.
Revolutionary-Copy71 t1_iuhsd21 wrote
I remember years and years ago, my car and around 20 others in my complex were broken into. Office management let me watch the security cam, and they were in and out of the complex parking lot in a couple mins. It was impressive. Infuriating, but I can't lie, also impressive.
mostlygray t1_iuhsduh wrote
No one ever breaks into my POS minivan. I feel so left out. I wish someone would steal it but I'm afraid they'd bring it back once they drive it.
It really doesn't matter where you park. If someone wants to steal something, they're in and out and less than 30 seconds. Honestly, these days what's in a car worth stealing? No one has aftermarket stereos any more.
Skankcunt420 t1_iuhsnuf wrote
Thieves don’t care if the crime only takes 2 min. Gives them time to get the heck out
Source: SWIM
ziyadah042 t1_iuhuqlf wrote
Thieves don't care about what's in the car. They just smash and grab. The reason to park in a brightly lit lot isn't to protect your car or what's in it, it's to protect YOU on the way to your car at the end of the night.
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Fletch00 t1_iuhw8v0 wrote
Fucking icky bicky ICBC
joemac5367 t1_iuhwmg4 wrote
Horseshit. Thieves like operating in the shadows.
A few seconds torchlight and then 1 minute looting the car.
"Hello police, there's a man breaking into a car now!"
"Can you describe him sir?"
"Nope"
Zonerdrone t1_iuhwo8o wrote
Today you learned a dangerous lie that is going to get you and everyone you tell hurt. Stay in WELL LIT, WELL POPULATED areas to avoid being the victim of a crime.
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unusedusername3 t1_iuhyri8 wrote
This was my thought. I don't keep valuables in my car. I'm the valuable thing I'm trying to protect by parking in a well lit area.
TJR406 t1_iui4rlr wrote
I had a buddy that did stupid shit when he got drunk. He'd just pull door handles until one opened and bum rushed grabbed what he could. Would check it out after
Xywzel t1_iui53y0 wrote
Well homes are more likely to be empty when people are in school or work than when they are sleeping, so break-ins to private properties might be more common at day time. Then all the white collar crime, tax frauds, bribes and such sound like day time activities. Picking pockets or scamming tourists is not really possible when there are no tourists, and your price is better if someone else did not get them already, so also mostly day time, unless operating in bars and clubs. Domestic violence, likely mostly after work evening time. Sure there are things like smuggling over land borders that might be easier at dark, but there are also lots of types that would be lot more likely at day time. Can't know without actual numbers though.
obsertaries t1_iui6e9v wrote
They mean that car thieves will just choose some other street or other time to steal cars.
obsertaries t1_iui6mbj wrote
It sounds like the study isn’t about arrest rates or anything like that.
If you’re right though, it’s another point that shows that arrests have no preventative effect on crime.
XG2L5TM3WK t1_iui7ugi wrote
By parking in the light the owner can see anybody coming at them and the video cameras have a better chance of capturing an event
manaworkin t1_iui82gz wrote
They also HATE it when you leave the doors unlocked and windows open.
crabmuncher t1_iui8715 wrote
Probably checked the pockets of the bag for change.
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iui95tr wrote
Oh i had my windows broken too, and everything left inside. There are still people that are just assholes too xD
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iui9iyz wrote
Thats basically how i found my schoolbooks one time. I was already intoxicated and walking home when I noticed my car had been broken into and my schoolbag stolen. I decided, “fuck it, lets go ask some of the homeless folks around if they saw anything” after talking to about 10 people or so, this nice dude pointed me to a trashcan where he saw a dude dump a backpack. Muh books!
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iui9kxs wrote
Its a global conspiracy
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iui9s2d wrote
Oof. That blowwwwws. Now i kinda understand why some of those places have gates…
JosZo OP t1_iui9xqh wrote
Same crime, but on a different place, at a different time
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iui9zpv wrote
I learned my lesson eventually. I stopped leaving anything in my car and just left it unlocked. It was a manual so nobody was gonna steal it or anything.
jupiterkansas t1_iuiaqbd wrote
meanwhile, everyone here responds with gut feelings and anecdotes.
PlaugeofRage t1_iuibcu9 wrote
That dude saved your ass. Books are expensive as all hell.
Surprise_Corgi t1_iuibhfv wrote
It makes a huge caveat in the conclusion that it's possible thieves just can't see into the cars while they're in darkness, to know if it's worth it. The 'spatial and temporal' displacement of moving on to the next set of potential marks.
Xywzel t1_iuibi7l wrote
Oh, yeah, that does make sense, it just sounded like you can avoid having your stereo stolen, but your car might end up in yesterday.
Lr217 t1_iuibp3m wrote
Who is the basement dweller? The researchers who authored the paper OP is referencing? Plus this is a study based on the Thames Valley UK… who mentioned the inner city lol
What an aggressive comment that is seemingly totally irrelevant to this post
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iuibs8z wrote
Yaaaaa, you’re right. It has just been my experience.
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iuibufq wrote
Right? Bought him a 6-pack
TbonerT t1_iuic4h8 wrote
On the other hand, I read a story here about a place that had a slight vandalism issue but it basically stopped when the area light on the wall burnt out and started up again after they replaced bulb.
the-magnificunt t1_iuicai6 wrote
Meanwhile, someone broke into my car back in the day and went through my CDs, only taking ones they liked and leaving the rest. My musical taste was never more insulted.
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iuicn6y wrote
WHAT?! Thats wild.
Maybe they needed weapons to fight zombies and didn’t want to use the good stuff…?
Kevin_Wolf t1_iuie3rz wrote
Because dome lights don't turn on automatically when you open the door or anything.
daviep t1_iuigflj wrote
This is right, someone stole a bag of trash from my car once. Just a big trash bag full of fast food bags and energy drink cans. I couldn't help but laugh.
wineandhugs t1_iuihzdm wrote
I live in South Africa and I'm a single female, no way am I parking in a dimly-lit area.
obsertaries t1_iuiiirf wrote
Yeah sci-fi has conditioned us to associate “temporal” with time travel.
Combatical t1_iuil8tg wrote
Top comment here once again makes more sense than the massively upvoted post itself. Who are these people just upvoting posts without any critical thinking?
Xywzel t1_iuilecs wrote
I still understand "temporal" as "related to time", but "temporal displacement" gets to that scifi range.
obsertaries t1_iuilszj wrote
In linguistics I’ve heard that expression used a few times. All kinds of other living things have ways to communicate with each other, but human language is one of the very few that can communicate about temporal or spacial displacement, i.e. you can talk about things that the listener can’t see in exactly that place and time, like what you had for breakfast this morning or what the weather is like in Alaska right now.
It was originally believe they only human language can do this, but now it seems that bee dances have that function as well.
sneeps t1_iuime0u wrote
Crime is leaking out of r/vancouver
Cobra-D t1_iuiqth0 wrote
For a long time I didn’t lock my car door and people would be like “why don’t you lock your car door? Someone could steal your stuff”. I’m like, if they really wanted to steal it they just break the window, least this way i don’t have to worry about replacing it.
Jimothy_McGowan t1_iuir4aw wrote
That's what we thought too, but apparently the thief left his watch in there too. This isn't a super nice watch or anything, but it looks nice and it's a free watch. Personally, I've always been curious if he even bothered checking
skellyton3 t1_iuis2hn wrote
One time a friend of mine had their car broken into. They had a fully foiled modern infect deck for the game Magic the Gathering that was taken.
They found the deck in the bushes near his house, his laptop was MIA.
He didn't really care about the laptop, the deck was worth thousands of dollars.
TazBaz t1_iuisp4h wrote
Had that happen to my ex and I at a local gym one night. Us and the entire rest of the parking lot.
Deracination t1_iuit6im wrote
Seriously, we did this exact exercise, except showing us how it was faster to assemble pens by each person doing just one step instead of each doing a whole pen. This is just a disassembly line.
StrangerAttractor t1_iuj0cbo wrote
Better go to the pub and sit this whole thing out
Jahobes t1_iuj10fc wrote
Reminds me of the time some homeless people broke into my car and stole 3 dollars in quarters when my $500 Microsoft textbook was in open view in the back seat. You could sell one of those for basically full price on eBay or Craigslist.
Jahobes t1_iuj1s14 wrote
I've been living in Seattle for years now but I still have physiological reactions when I see ICBC.
I'm a pretty conformist. But the tyranny of ICBC made me want to formant revolution.
Barbarossa7070 t1_iuj24zr wrote
Hello,
Could you park in a dimly lit area so we can more easily steal your stuff?
Sincerely, The Thieves
cantpissoffmods t1_iuj7sld wrote
Yeah, they use bricks instead.
DraslinHDF t1_iujabbs wrote
Tell me you've never been to oakland without saying you've never been to oakland.
KypDurron t1_iujczzi wrote
Best time to rob houses in Skyrim is the middle of the day.
cardboardunderwear t1_iujdglo wrote
Who ever did that must have been pissed
tmoney144 t1_iujemzc wrote
Had a friend that went to juvie for that. His biggest mistake was doing it at the same parking lot multiple times. Tried it one time and a cop was in the car waiting for him.
RedAIienCircle t1_iujoufu wrote
Alright, I will, but how am I supposed to rob anyone?
TheGazelle t1_iujpp2g wrote
The funny part is op, who now has the top comment, must not have actually clicked the link.
Because the link is literally to a peer reviewed scientific paper in the journal of quantitative criminology that does statistical analysis of crime data compared to lighting data.
It's about as far from "gut feeling" as you can get. I think op maybe just read the title and responded with their gut feeling.
Though the title is a hilariously bad representation of the study in and of itself.
khaeen t1_iujrrwl wrote
Most crime happens when the opportunity is available. So warmer weather meaning the criminal is out and about, ease of target, availability of things to justify going out at X time, etc. There's going to be a lot more night time crime in an area full of bars and clubs vs a subdivision surrounded by subdivisions.
St3phiroth t1_iujta7v wrote
I had my car window smashed in a parking garage in Vancouver, BC. They didn't take any of the US cash or change, or the sentimental piece of art in the trunk. But they did take some backup diabetes meds and thyroid meds. Jokes on them if they took them hoping for a high.
ardranor t1_iujugzx wrote
Yep, name of the game for these kinds of thefts is quick turn around. It needs to either be cash or something that can be traded for cash.
vagueblur901 t1_iujukbn wrote
There's been a ton of break ins a few blocks near my house, my city has cameras that are live and are watched by the police.
The crew that was breaking into 10-20 cars per night did it in both day and night and would use a van then bolt. They stopped with this neighborhood but moved onto others.
Day or night doesn't matter it's all about opportunity.
Ouchyhurthurt t1_iujvalf wrote
Damn, that sounds shitty.
They caught the guy and his crew that was stealing catalytic converters a little while back. Apparently it was a multi-million dollar setup and spanned from coast to coast, Portland to NY. You know somebody else just stepped into his role tho…
BunInTheSun27 t1_iujvieo wrote
Did you open the peer-reviewed source of this post?
MagikSkyDaddy t1_iuk39ni wrote
Henry Ford nodding
ithurtsus t1_iuk98aq wrote
I think it’s a misinterpretation of a finding
What they found was, turning off the street lights at night on a street decreased break-ins on that street.
But break-ins on adjacent streets increased (that left their lights on). And who knows what it did to other crimes / accidents.
Basically they went somewhere else and continued on their merry way
Marconidas t1_iuk9umt wrote
I've slept in the car in the street like 2 times. Did not get robbed but not exactly a comfortable experience.
drekwithoutpolitics t1_iuka4am wrote
Reminds me of a kid whose car got broken into in college. Thief left the change but stole his pen. Lol
Vlacas12 t1_iuguncv wrote
It doesn't read anywhere in the article that offenders don't like to use lights.
"Artificial light introduced to the crime scene signals unusual activity to potential guardians and invites unwanted attention which the offenders may not feel comfortable risking. The costs of committing vehicle crime on unlit streets are therefore higher than elsewhere."
This is the only part I could find that talks about the offenders using artificial light and it doesn't say anything about them not liking to use lights, only that the risk of being discovered outweighs the possible benefits, which has nothing to do with the personal preference of the offenders to use or not use artificial lightning.