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dalawangdouble t1_ixqsncd wrote

Ewww, why would you wanna put something like that into your mouth?

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Kevundoe t1_ixqsso8 wrote

Or, hear me out, turkey all look alike

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Ivylaughed t1_ixqsv17 wrote

Fascinating article. Thank you!

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diiejso t1_ixqvk37 wrote

Life, Uh, Finds a Way

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albene t1_ixqxyix wrote

Komodo dragons can do this too, and because of how gender determination works in them, a female Komodo dragon will produce male offspring asexually. “It has been hypothesised that this reproductive adaptation allows a single female to enter an isolated ecological niche (such as an island) and by parthenogenesis produce male offspring, thereby establishing a sexually reproducing population (via reproduction with her offspring that can result in both male and female young).” [Link]

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wadewad t1_ixqzn4a wrote

That’s why somebody you don’t trust you call a turkey. How can you trust a guy who can literally go fuck themselves?

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[deleted] t1_ixr0pxz wrote

Replying to albene (#669,221)

Most reptiles are able to. Mourning geckos are particularly cool as they only reproduce through parthenogenesis and the whole species is female.

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ShootYourStar t1_ixr1mjq wrote

You should look up the lesbian lizards, not the official name of course. They are in New Mexico, apperently a mutation occurred in one female lizard that cause her to lay exact clones of herself, all the offspring inherited this mutation, so now the region is over ran with this female only lizard species, all clones of the original/each other.

To stimulate egg production they all get together and roll around in a pile.

Edit 1, link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

Edit 2, the place, I was way off!

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Kancho_Ninja t1_ixr2nu1 wrote

When you really wanna baby, but ain’t got no time for a baby-daddy, go fuck yerself.

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bolonomadic t1_ixr6z9e wrote

I wish I could have a clone of myself baby to raise.

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Texcellence t1_ixr8b0m wrote

Begun the turkey clone wars have.

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rpaim8 t1_ixrah3i wrote

Can hens do this?

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Bucknasty129 t1_ixrbrtu wrote

Can confirm. None of the babies of the one I fucked look like me.

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FUCK_REDD1T t1_ixrbydk wrote

Replying to albene (#669,221)

When they reproduce with their genetically identical offspring is their any chance for mutations? Or do they create more genetically identical offspring?

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[deleted] t1_ixrd2hl wrote

Replying to epsdelta74 (#670,765)

Oh, I had to look it up, but yes!

TIL they are called mourning geckos because they are vocal at night and it was said to be because the females were mourning their lost mates (because they knew they were all female)

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Adthay t1_ixrhqme wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#669,588)

To add to this not only is the species entirely female but they're lesbians. Which is to say they don't reproduce through parthenogenesis until after they attempt to mate with another of their species.

Other facts, the species is actually a hybrid species of two other species of lizards whos habitats overlap. Males do exist and can reproduce but it's rare.

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RedTheDopeKing t1_ixrhxp8 wrote

Not that I necessarily did before, but now I really don’t trust turkeys.

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PM_ME_ROCK t1_ixrkhv3 wrote

Brings new meaning to, “Go fuck yourself”

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Dr_Drini t1_ixrnba1 wrote

They’re the Virgin Mary of the bird world

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growsomegarlic t1_ixrpw15 wrote

🎵 If you like

the way

you look

so much 🎵

then baby

you should go and

reproduce asexually forming a near-clone of yourself. 🎵🎵

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CaptainChats t1_ixrrxb9 wrote

Is this only trait only in wild turkeys or do domesticated turkeys also have the ability to reproduce asexually? If so it seems like a useful trait for a domesticated animal.

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MathMaddox t1_ixrye21 wrote

Replying to albene (#669,221)

> parthenogenesis produce male offspring, thereby establishing a sexually reproducing population (via reproduction with her offspring

Sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer

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Cam501 t1_ixrz0es wrote

My husband's grandmother has raised chickens all her life, and she swears they do this sometimes as well.

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Numbah9Dr t1_ixs2hi1 wrote

That's why we eat them.

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ICSL t1_ixs4f9g wrote

This is why we eat them in massive numbers once a year. Otherwise, they will grow too numerous and overwhelm us.

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montanunion t1_ixs4xxs wrote

Replying to HarryHacker42 (#670,433)

Just fyi, sex and gender are different things. On one hand, turkeys probably don't have a concept of gender at all, since gender is a human society thing and turkeys are birds. On the other hand, sex refers to gamete production and since human procreation has only 2 gametes (eggs and sperm), there are only 2 sexes for humans.

On an unrelated third hand, the vast majority of intersex people identify with the genders male or female (usually the ones they were assigned at birth, though you can also be intersex and trans). Intersex conditions are also usually sex-specific. For example, Klinefelter's (XXY) only exists in men.

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CG1991 t1_ixs4ysk wrote

I don't know why, but this makes me deeply uncomfortable

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mokomi t1_ixs56tn wrote

Replying to FUCK_REDD1T (#670,945)

Not an expert, but as long as it isn't an clone using the same DNA. There will always be a chance for mutations. Their offspring are near, but not exact. Whatever happens they are gaining males with a Y.

Now if you are thinking of diseases like human inbreeding does. All species do have that problem. They just die off or it's a common problem with XYZ. Humans live longer than their breeding age and they are many, many people. So problematic mutations just stick around and get worse.

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Mr_P3 t1_ixs5iea wrote

I’m sorry they can produce WHAT

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TheChonk t1_ixs6nc4 wrote

no need for the turkey Baxter then 😳

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Mojo96 t1_ixs7wo0 wrote

That reminds me of my third wife

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ntwiles t1_ixs9hjj wrote

Same actually.

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[deleted] t1_ixsch7m wrote

Replying to fast327 (#672,973)

I live by a little piece of woods, like five acres, and last week there were like 17 turkeys at the end of my street. I'd never seen the big Toms in the wild before. Freaking amazing.

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ratatard t1_ixsdltv wrote

OTOH englands reproduce by having one queen at a time laying eggs.

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I_Am_Tuber t1_ixsm2qf wrote

this post and comment section 🤯

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governmentthief t1_ixsn8ft wrote

As god as my witness, I thought turkeys had to fuck.

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atomicgoat t1_ixsnbfq wrote

Thanksgiving in perpetuity.

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albene t1_ixsuee7 wrote

Replying to FUCK_REDD1T (#670,945)

The offspring are not genetically identical as the process still involves meiosis, which means crossing over, random assortment and independent segregation still occur to create new combinations of alleles. The issue is that the gene pool is greatly reduced as it originates from a single individual.

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imiyashiro t1_ixt1xcp wrote

Also recently discovered for California Condors!!!

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FitPrimary2126 t1_ixt222s wrote

So no one wants to talk about this, but convergent consequences of parthenogenesis slowly degrade the genome basically, because its basically copying itself repeatedly, we age and die, so logically, this wouldn't be an infinite cycle, the genome would degrade to a point where parthenogenesis would not be able to take place and the entire genome would die out.

Tl;DR: parthenogenesis sounds like end-game for a species that has lost normal capabilities of reproducing strong babies, forcing them to reclone themselves until the genome is basically decayed.

The only thing that would save creatures using parthenogenesis would be if they still had the ability to reproduce classically like komodo dragons, they are asexual, but a female will make a clone basically that is a male so they can continue normal breeding. They do not rely on parthenogenesis.

Just my opinion, whatever.

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go_faster1 t1_ixtg9ql wrote

I don’t think I want to experience this Clone Saga

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SjuivaTuEtta t1_ixtgxgs wrote

Replying to montanunion (#674,316)

The definition of men used for klinefelter’s is “has a y chromosome”.
also when talking about sexes there’s two aspects, yes there’s gametes but there is anatomy, secondary characteristics, and so on. If we reduce sex to the gametes, then someone with ovaries but otherwise male anatomy is female, and somebody with underdeveloped ovotestes has no sex at all bc no gametes, and someone with ovarie(s) and teste(s) is both, so there’s atleast four if you count combinations. Then add in anatomy/organ/secodnary characteristsics mismatched with the gametes, and you have many more. Its easiest to lump all atypical sex into one and call it ”intersex” and say it is an actual sex, the only place where that doesnt matter is a sperm/egg bank XD

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montanunion t1_ixtjmp1 wrote

Replying to SjuivaTuEtta (#680,151)

Klinefelter men also have a penis and testicles so they are male by anatomy and many do produce sperm, though often not enough/not viable (but there are also some Klinefelter men who produce viable sperm) and most have clearly male secondary sex charactetistics. Globally, only something like 1 in 4 Klinefelter men know they have it and even in the West, many only find out about the condition in adulthood when they realise they have trouble conceiving.

Sex is gametes. That's how biological sex is defined. That's why there are only 2 sexes in humans.

However that doesn't make people who cannot produce gametes non-sexed, any more than the fact that humans are defined as "bipedal mammals" makes people with one leg less human. They are just humans with a specific condition. Someone who produces both sperm and eggs shows characteristics of both sexes.

> Its easiest to lump all atypical sex into one and call it ”intersex”

Easiest for whom? It's not an actual sex (because intersex people do not produce a third form of gametes) and if you look at intersex activism, many intersex people are strictly opposed to the idea that they could be one. The vast majority of intersex conditions are sex-specific, so they only occur in males or only occur in females.

There's absolutely no benefit to lumping all intersex conditions together and calling it a new sex, any more than throwing all conditions that cause aberrations of secondary sex conditions together and calling them a new sex. No one would argue that men with gynaecomastia and women who grow excessive facial hair (which are both quite common) are really a different sex.

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Kelmon80 t1_ixtq0oh wrote

Well, it all makes sense now. All those clashes with Greece over area in the mediterrean - it's just Turkey making sure there's space enough for the second one once it goes ahead and fucks itself.

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copaceanu t1_ixtui7j wrote

Replying to FitPrimary2126 (#678,234)

Parthenogenesis is just a cheat that some animals can pull out of their sleeves if they reach on an isolated part of the forest. They're supposed to reconnect with main population in a few generation or just degrade into weirdness.

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sunseven3 t1_ixtzymc wrote

WTF? I haven't been drinking tonight...

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Professor-Paws t1_ixubuqt wrote

So can humans but yes rare in comparison and they're always chimeric.

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thewonderfullanky t1_ixuefjb wrote

You can tell the sex of a turkey by the shape of its poo

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CreativeAd5254 t1_ixuoeo6 wrote

The term "sometimes" is particularly interesting here

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montanunion t1_iy3k3nn wrote

Replying to SjuivaTuEtta (#729,670)

I didn't ignore that part, I wrote

> Someone who produces both sperm and eggs shows characteristics of both sexes.

That isn't a different sex either though since there is not a different form of gamete that they produce. And as far as I know, there has never been any known case of a person producing both viable sperm and eggs.

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