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No-Dirt-8737 t1_iw0yqmt wrote
Wait the brotherhood of nod from command and conquer is a Bible reference? Cool.
DaveOJ12 t1_iw10gr9 wrote
Dude, Kane is Cain.
No-Dirt-8737 t1_iw10lcu wrote
Yeah... I keep thinking about it now and I can't believe I never made the connection. The good news is I learned something cool today.
Landlubber77 t1_iw10nsq wrote
Ion Cannon charging
lego_office_worker t1_iw11hho wrote
Nod was not purgatory. it was just a geographic location away from the area around the garden.
it was east of the garden and the name just means land of wandering.
quicxly OP t1_iw125lq wrote
for sure, i wasn't sure how to summarize it for the title. I'm basically informed by this passage from the wiki, but am by no means a Bible scholar --
> Nod is said to be outside of the presence or face of God. Origen defined Nod as the land of trembling and wrote that it symbolized the condition of all who forsake God.
VADave83 t1_iw128g8 wrote
Canonically the Brotherhood believed Kane was a descendant of the biblical Cain, but by the end Kane was like an immortal demigod, so who knows.
Dawnawaken92 t1_iw12erl wrote
That scene where he pulls the cyborg face plate off and he's like hahaaaaa. So corny so awesome
Dawnawaken92 t1_iw12hap wrote
Wasn't it a bustling city when he arrived too?
sterlingphoenix t1_iw12lvl wrote
I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as a "'dreamland' sleepytime dealie".
lego_office_worker t1_iw13arb wrote
certainly possible. Cain stated here:
13 But Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can stand! 14 You have forced me off this land today. I have to hide from you and become a fugitive, a wanderer on the earth. Now anyone who finds me will kill me!”
That there were other people around, and they might not take kindly to him (maybe because he was a murderer). So this land of wandering was populated by some fierce people. I dont think anyone knows who they really were or why they were there. But Cain was certainly scared of them.
lego_office_worker t1_iw13h7r wrote
No, it only says that he built a city there
17 Cain made love to his wife. She became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was building a city, and he named it Enoch after his son.
Peacemkr45 t1_iw13hzb wrote
Ok, So Adam and Eve birthed and raised Cain and Able. Cain killed Able and was cast out to live with the people of Nod (the land of Nod). So that bears the question of.... Where did those other people come from?
RetroMetroShow t1_iw1573a wrote
Don’t forget about Wynken and Blynken
FabulousEmotions t1_iw18n66 wrote
Dreamland sleepytime dealies are notorious for stuff like this.
Cetun t1_iw1b9k5 wrote
Some liberal interpretations would say that the garden of Eden and the creation myth were all parables of sorts and should not be taken literally. More conservative denominations will tell you all those people were descendants of Adam and Eve and therefore Cain's sister or nieces. They go on to say that the only problem with incest is that It increases the chance of recessive genes becoming dominant, but that isn't a problem if your a child of adam and eve because they are perfect and have no abnormal recessive genes so it's perfectly safe to have children with your sister.
Harvin t1_iw1bzxp wrote
And Seth is his brother
Peacemkr45 t1_iw1d0p4 wrote
Any way you want to look at it, there is no adequate explanation of the people of Nod. Adam and eve created 2 offspring, Cain and Abel; Both males. There is no other mention of any other people on the planet, just those 4 people (unless you count Lilith which opens a whole other can of worms). Abel gets killed by Cain who goes to live with THE PEOPLE of Nod. That is the Biblical account based on the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam). I've had long theological discussions with multiple clergy over this and the honest ones say they have no answer. It's not like it's the only flaw in the scriptures about Creation. It's just one I like to point out to the zealots.
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Mike_Tyson_Lisp t1_iw1ds3y wrote
It could also not historically be real like most things in the bible and thus doesn't matter what or where it is
Cetun t1_iw1exre wrote
Well I think the explanation is two fold. First that Adam and Eve were perfect, therefore they lived much longer. You have other historical biblical figures living for well over 150 years, it stands to reason that Adam and Eve likely lived longer, it never says how old they are or when they die or even when they had children.
Second of all it doesn't say Adam and Even had only two children, only that Cain and Abel were two of their children. It could be Eve was popping them out every 9 months or something, it doesn't say she wasn't so maybe they had a couple hundred kids, some went to live in the land of Nod.
The ultra conservative view you will find very few clergy defend in the United States at least. Most say they are just stories to get a message across and to not take the whole 7 days to create earth and Garden of Eden thing literally, they are just stories to teach people important lessons about God and humanity.
NedIsakoff t1_iw1fhsb wrote
In one of the Nod temples there is Able’s sarcophagus.
quicxly OP t1_iw1fmu2 wrote
it's a literary reference. calm down.
quicxly OP t1_iw1g38x wrote
I've heard that, yes.
FabulousEmotions t1_iw1i709 wrote
You are woke as fuck
FabulousEmotions t1_iw1ip0r wrote
Bill Cosby has entered the chat
SnoMan_O0o t1_iw1jq80 wrote
Came here to say til where the inspiration for C&C came from lol
BrokenEye3 t1_iw1jxqg wrote
I thought it was just a country that he lived in for a while
Gewt92 t1_iw1ka43 wrote
It also doesn’t say God didn’t create other people
chimisforbreakfast t1_iw1kj5b wrote
"Prowl through empty fields, great Cain."
-The Mountain Goats
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WentzWorldWords t1_iw1ublk wrote
Another interpretation leads one to ancient racism. “Banished to the eastern land of Nod with a mark upon his face”. Hmmm, which peoples to the east have different facial features? Moses was simply othering oriental people.
DharmaCub t1_iw1xn0d wrote
Well if he went East of Eden (presumably somewhere in Iraq) then it's likely he either ended up in Iran or the Eurasian Steppe. I would assume those people to be ancient Steppe nomads (wanderers on the Earth).
AllDayJay1970 t1_iw1xw9z wrote
In older judaic text, Adam and Eve weren;t the first people , they were the first people made by god . When Adam and Eve were cast from the garden there were people already living there . I think this is where Lilith comes into the story
DharmaCub t1_iw1y06r wrote
In the ancient Canaanite religions that the Semitic religions evolved from were polytheistic with many patron gods of cities or tribes. Eventually, a main God (YHWH- Yahweh) won out and became the only God, while many of the others (Baphomet, Azazel, Bael, Moloch etc) became demons.
YHWH was just the God of the Israelites at one point way way back, but other peoples had other Gods and this was accepted.
So most likely these other people (whom I believe to be ancient Scythian or other Eurasian steppe peoples) were merely followers "created by" another God.
moonbunnychan t1_iw1y9nd wrote
I can only assume his wife was his sister too since uh...not a lot of selection to choose from.
Faelix t1_iw1znvj wrote
To call it a flaw is your very subjective interpretation. To me, God makes it clear that outside of Eden, there were primitive people, wanderers, beduins, who would kill any trespassers they came upon.
When God evicts Adam and Eve, he makes them clothing of Animal Skin. So that put's us in time. The conflict of Cain and Abel, are the hunter/gatherer, vs the Farmer. The Farmer creates much more produce, than the hunter/gatherer.
It all puts us in a specific time of human history.
I, who did find God, is very glad that the Allmighty, puts this on the table, I am not one to accept time as absolute, and will not use the Bible generations, to date earth, as some do. Time is relative, and God created all things in 6 days, on the seventh day he rested.
Faelix t1_iw205wd wrote
I feel confident your leap of logic reveals your own inner rascism, and not that of the Bible. Have you not noticed, how your generations is found guilty, of everything they accused the Christians of?
Hedfuct82 t1_iw22gcn wrote
Nope. You're just very slept.
precipotado t1_iw22obd wrote
Marks are also mentioned in the book of revelations and I don't think it has anything to do with races
thunderBerrins t1_iw22uwq wrote
That’s when your head goes down and then back up and then down again until you go to the land of nod. Vertical shaking I think they call it.
dr69ons6mur6i t1_iw241ha wrote
>Well I think the explanation is two fold. First that Adam and Eve were perfect, therefore they lived much longer. You have other historical biblical figures living for well over 150 years, it stands to reason that Adam and Eve likely lived longer, it never says how old they are or when they die or even when they had children.
>Second of all it doesn't say Adam and Even had only two children, only that Cain and Abel were two of their children. It could be Eve was popping them out every 9 months or something, it doesn't say she wasn't so maybe they had a couple hundred kids, some went to live in the land of Nod.
Genesis 5:3-5 says Adam was 130 when Eve gave birth to Seth who was born after Cain killed Abel, then lived for another 800 years fathering more children. It doesn’t say how long between their creation and when they were kicked out of the garden, but it’s reasonable to assume there was enough time between their exile and when Abel was killed they had time to knock boots a few times.
thoth1000 t1_iw25e90 wrote
There is an interpretation that Adam and Eve are the first homo sapiens, and the people in Nod were Neanderthals.
w0lfmancer t1_iw25kpv wrote
Dreamland, great show. Art Bell was the man.
rapiertwit t1_iw2912x wrote
There is also an interpretation that this an old primitive age creation myth with holes in it big enough to drive a semi through.
Cetun t1_iw2as1p wrote
Their reply to that would be "God created man not men"
firelock_ny t1_iw2b5n6 wrote
Old storytelling imagery, seen in children's bedtime stuff - the Sandman whisking you off to the Land of Nod, that kind of thing. 19th to early 20th century.
h4ll0br3 t1_iw2ci5l wrote
Actually there was. Adam and Eve were the first humans their god made, not the only ones made
No_Extension108 t1_iw2dmq6 wrote
aitchnyu t1_iw2k6yl wrote
So there were humans free of original sin?
sterlingphoenix t1_iw2mdni wrote
Oh, like nodding off to sleep.
canalrhymeswithanal t1_iw2o5i6 wrote
We still talking about the wrestler Kane?
canalrhymeswithanal t1_iw2o9vv wrote
This explains Sandman.
GoldenBowlerhat t1_iw2qf4i wrote
C&c Renegade, IIRC
GoldenBowlerhat t1_iw2qigm wrote
I'm Seth. Just Seth. From God to Kane to Seth. I'm his righthand.
Gewt92 t1_iw2wvj0 wrote
Yeah but after that it doesn’t say what he did
plugubius t1_iw33i3a wrote
Do you have any textual support for that?
NedIsakoff t1_iw34gva wrote
Peacemkr45 t1_iw372fc wrote
Yea, Thank autocorrect for that. I caught it the rest of the posts but wasn't going to edit my first one since it had replies.
Rhomega2 t1_iw388xt wrote
Which is funny because Seth is Cain's brother, not his son.
lego_office_worker t1_iw38s8r wrote
yea. some people say that cains wife and the people he was afraid were going to kill him were all the future sons and daughters that adam and eve had. people back then lived a long time. future sons and daughters would know what cain had done and why he was living out there. genesis condenses lots of history and its probably not exhaustive.
here4the_trainwreck t1_iw3agh6 wrote
"probably"
Quirky-Topic-2389 t1_iw4hcyi wrote
not only that:
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- every time the GDI defeats the Brotherhood of Nod, the BoN's next resurgence is multitudes more violent and forceful
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- which... is what the Biblical God told Cain to reassure him he will be OK in some ways, despite the whole world hating him
marmorset t1_iw4lmb9 wrote
>there is no adequate explanation of the people of Nod. Adam and eve created 2 offspring, Cain and Abel; Both males. There is no other mention of any other people on the planet, just those 4 people
You're wrong. Not only does Genesis say that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters, it specifically mentions a son named Seth.
It doesn't mention when those other children were born or what happened to them, only that that the first two children were Cain and Abel. And it clearly says that Eve is the mother of mankind in general so the other people are all the descendants of Adam and Eve.
I'm sure the zealots love it when someone who doesn't know what the Bible says and doesn't believe in it, tries to share his "knowledge."
marmorset t1_iw4ocb4 wrote
Monotheism is a modern conception, and the word "god" originally just meant divine being. The thing that's different about Yahweh is that He's the only creator. Also, Yahweh is the only god that isn't part of a pantheon, the divine beings with Yahweh are His subordinates, they're not offspring or equals. That's much different from all the other beliefs.
Another difference is that God has a singular relationship with people. There's no give and take, it's Yahweh's way of the highway. All of the other gods rely on humans and do favors for humans if they get something in return.
It was generally acknowledged, and mentioned in the Bible, that God has a council and he addresses other divine beings--angel is a job description, the word means "messenger." Only in modern times did Jewish and Protestant leaders invent monotheism, the notion that there's only one divine being. The Bible itself notes that there are divine beings, angels, who assist Yahweh, and divine beings, demons, that oppose Yahweh, but He's the one God.
marmorset t1_iw4olq3 wrote
It is mentioned that Eve is the mother of mankind, which suggests that all people come from her, it's not just an honorary title. But Genesis also mentions that Adam and Eve have other children after Cain and Abel, it just doesn't mention what happens to them.
marmorset t1_iw4p6f0 wrote
That's all extra-Biblical, it's rabbis looking to explain things after the fact. The Bible says that God created Adam, then later He creates Eve, and they're the parents of mankind.
Lilith isn't in the Bible, other people weren't created first. If you're accepting the Bible either as a religious text or as mythology, it's clear that God creates Adam and Eve and everyone else comes from them, there's no Lilith or others.
Crosstitch_Witch t1_iw4yr9z wrote
Random idea of someone who doesn't know too much about this topic and mostly just thinks this would make a fun story: what if all of Earth was actually Eden, and The Land of Nod another planet? Or, the opposite.
FabulousEmotions t1_iw66ezp wrote
It's true. Just slept this whole time. The wokeness is real.
for2fly t1_iw6j6th wrote
You've never heard of Wynken, Blynken, and Nod by Eugene Field?
h4ll0br3 t1_iw6l4qg wrote
Exactly my thought. But apparently the others were big meanies
AllDayJay1970 t1_iw6p6ld wrote
You should read more.
sterlingphoenix t1_iw6u7ng wrote
Not until this very moment! I didn't grow up in the US.
for2fly t1_iw7ri49 wrote
I wasn't asking because I was incredulous. I was asking because the poem relates to the TIL, nothing more. For all I know, your knowledge of poets worldwide could be vast and rich.
It's entirely reasonable that one might have never heard of him or any of his works. Most of what I know of Eugene Field is due to his tenuous connection to my wife's family.
Otherwise, as far as poetry goes, I don't get very far. :p
Disney made a [Silly Symphony](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynken,Blynken_and_Nod(film)) cartoon based on it also. This was how I first learned of the poem.
sterlingphoenix t1_iw7tfc0 wrote
Oh I wasn't accusing you of anything. Just mentioning that I haven't heard of it and, having followed your link to it, realising why.
I am absolutely not complaining about the fact that I learned something new!
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Dveralazo t1_ixe4wfc wrote
Set and his siblings.
I mean,c'mon,this guys allegedly lived for NINE CENTURIES, probably fertile for five centuries,and with no internet,no tv,no music just imagine what would end happening : )
Actually,you don't have to imagine,great grandma had 9 childs and it was common.
Electricpants t1_iw0wooj wrote
I always understood Nod as being any land not of Eden.
Not sure where I got that from.