I hated disliked CCR when I was a kid. Particularly because their, music was somewhat country flavoured, the other reason was for a few years, you couldn't go to a sock hop at school or turn on the radio (and that's all we had) without having to listen to CCR.

Love them now of course because they were such a big part of the best years of my life. Life is complicated. :P

They were truly fortunate sons.

Goes to show how much good music was released those years. I think about half of those 9 should have been #1s though.

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yooo I know exactly what you mean. my formative years were in the 90s and I hung out at roller rinks all the time. they'd play Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys and all kinds of pop but I was into metal and punk and stuff at that time so I hated it and would roll my eyes. now though? I have entire playlists of 90s pop and I'll sing along when I drive anywhere. my past self would hate me.

60's and the 70's were the golden years of music.

Golden ears of music.

There is a newish CCR documentary on Netflix which is worth watching.

How did they have time to tour with 7 studio albums in 4 years? Or did they not tour?

How down on the corner was not a #1 single for months i dont know

Also i believe ccr got fucked out of all their money

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The 60s was an amazing period for music, I'm an 80s kid but I love music from this period and the 70s such great variation and unique (at the time) styles.

To be sitting 60 years from now, I wonder what stuff being produced just now will be on their records players

Probably like the rest they just recorded In a van.

My dad listened to nothing but country so that’s what I listened to. I rolled my eyes at my friends who listened to grunge and hip hop and 90s girl pop. Ten years later that’s all I would listen to.

John Fogerty and producer Saul Zaentz had a terrible but terribly productive relationship.

I will always remember hearing ccr for the first time as a child while watching American Werewolf in London.

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It was reported yesterday that Fogerty got the rights to CCR’s music back after being sued for sounding like himself once CCR broke up. They did get fucked out of a lot of money though that is true.

They also literally destroyed all the bad music. There were a thousand records from shitty bands that were not preserved so it looks better in retrospect

Not much, certainly not music from the charts. Digitalization of music killed a lot of individuality and character. Everybody uses the same synths and software.

The Beatles were only together for 8 years. Time flies

Not only that, but the frequency. Seven albums in four years! You'll be lucky to get two now.

Fogerty V Fogerty is actually a really funny and interesting example of copyright law.

When I was in high school, I hated that music because it was so terrible.

Now I love it because it is SO terrible.

Tnx for the tip, love everything ccr

Hey! You're saying this Billboard Hot 100 #1 hit isn't better that everything from CCR?

Run for the shadows, run for the shadows

Run for the shadows in these golden years

I'm still a metal head, but there are definitely plenty of 90s pop songs I'll listen to just for the nostalgia and fun.

The Albert Hall doc on Netflix is great. They were incredibly tight playing live. Sounded just like the records.

Hey it’s more than a feeling.

That's just insane. You always think of these big bands as being a staple throughout the era.

Buncha liars!

That feeling when you find out they're not from Alabama or somethin but some kids from the bay area -_-

doesn't affect how much i like their tunes tho

“The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and you have burned so very brightly indeed”

I'd say there's some survivorship bias going on as well. CCR songs are so well known to us now thanks in part to being so heavily used in 60's-70's era movies and TV shows. Thus, they seem more popular than they were at the time.

Yeah, but did they ever see Lorraine?

For a major band in the 60s, this wasn’t all that uncommon a release schedule. The Beatles were doing two albums a year until they quit touring. Hell, over the same five-year period as CCR, the Supremes recorded fifteen studio albums. They really beat the hell out of successful acts when they could back then.

I remember my dad saying this, and he called them everyone's second favorite band because they never had a #1 hit

I picked up their box set after watching that. Gave me a whole different appreciation of a group that I love.

Did the Supremes also write all that music, or just record it?

The Motown in-house writers would have written most of it that wasn’t covers.

Are you aware of any other songs released between 1968-1972? If I recall there were a few good ones. The competition for #1 must have been crazy

Was there a thing about werewolves in London in pop culture that passed me by? There’s that, and I’m also reminded of that song Werewolves in London.

I mean, they had nine top 10 singles in four years. That's pretty popular.

I also grew up listening to them, and there was just something...off with CCR to me. A friend bought tickets to Forgery in the 80s, I went with him, and it still didn't pass a smell test, but I couldn't figure out what or why.

After watching the Netflix doc, everything fell into place and I was finally at peace with my gut instinct. They were fakes. They grew up in well-off families outside of San Francisco, but their songs made us think they were poor bluesmen "Born in the Bayou."

His affected persona shone through in his vocal phrasing and lyrics. I'm not saying I don't still listen to CCR. I'm just saying I couldn't put my finger on that internal nudge I got from them, and then last year I finally fingered it.

I got to see John Fogerty play all the CCR hits with Mumford and Sons playing instruments in Florida. He was filling in for a cancellation and they kept it secret until he stated playing. Really, really cool show.

Also interesting is that John Fogerty of CCR was born and raised in southern California.... Most people would fairly assume they were from Louisiana considering the content and sound of their music

Second this recommendation. Very good doc

Still a banger

Dude, they never said they were. In fact, they thought it was hilarious people kept attaching this story being a bunch a bayou kids to them when they were out of Central California and the closest swamp to their home was the salt marshes outside San Francisco.

So if we now all start listing to it on repeat we can undo thar record?

Does it start with Fortunate Son?

The Fogertys and Clifford all served

She was coming down on a sunny day

Drake also had nine songs where he was the lead artist hit the top ten on the Hot 100 before his first #1.

I had no idea this was an actual song. My dad taught it to me and I used to sing it with the neighborhood kids, but never heard an actual recorded version. Super interesting!

For me, my music taste has changed a lot as I've grown.

At this point, I'm confident in saying that I now like most genres of music. I remember liking maybe only a small few when I was a kid or teen.

Different monsters have been "trendy" during different time periods. It felt like vampires were everywhere for a while such as Interview with the Vampire and other Anne Rice works, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Bram Stoker's Dracula, From Dusk til Dawn, etc. It was on the downswing when Twilight and True Blood hit and faded out pretty quickly after that. Then suddenly it was zombies with The Walking Dead, Warm Bodies, (2004)Dawn of the Dead et al, 28 Days Later, Resident Evil, World War Z, etc. I think Werewolves just had a little moment of popularity in the 80s with American Werewolf in London, The Howling, Teen Wolf, etc. London happened to be in vogue during the same period.

Yes Burton Kanter and Castle Bank and Trust, a Bahamas money laundering bank used by the CIA and the Mafia to launder money from heroin trafficking and pay for the Bay of Pigs Invasion, stole all of CCRs money

Kanter went on to be a money launderer and lawyer for the Pritzker family (Hyatt hotels, current Illinois governor JB Pritzker) before getting convicted of money laundering and tax evasion in the 90s

Huh and here I am thinking I'd been thunderstruck.

This sounds interesting. Any more depth about this or the CIA shadow banks connected to other popular musical acts?

Arguably the greatest American rock band of all time. No other American rock band had that amount of success ever, and they did it in 4 years.. Not to mention John Fogerty didn't play music for 10 years because the label held him hostage. When he finally started playing music again in the '80s, when most thought of him as an old man, he had three or four major hits. Old man down the road, centerfield, etc. In the late 90s he put out another great album, which I believe won album of the year at the grammys. Not to mention, they are unbelievably popular in europe. And as beloved as they are, I still think they're underrated.

The podcast Subliminal Jihad did a good 6 part series on CCR and Castle Bank, the history there is very interesting. They also have a bunch of other interesting music episodes, including about The Eagles, the Grateful Dead and the Laurel Canton music scene

The main history of Castle Bank can be found in the book Masters of Paradise by Alan Block, though that's more about finance and money laundering than about music

If you're interested in more shady background of the music industry I'd recommend the book Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by Dave McGowan. Weird Scenes also pairs nicely with CHAOS by Tom O'Neill, which is about Charles Manson, who was a tangential part of that same Laurel Canton music scene

It should be noted that cover songs were much more relevant in the 60s. Lots of rock bands, even bands like the Beatles and Stones, covered a lot of blues songs in their early days.

The first CCR album was like 60% cover songs, which really wasn’t unusual for the time.

And of those four years, the large majority of their hits were in the first two.

There's a bit in one of Stephen King's books about a Vietnam vet who says it kills him when he watches war movies and they're blasting CCR. He said you were much more likely to hear something like the Carpenters if you were actually over there. I asked my one uncle about it that served in it and he said "accurate".

Unfortunate one

Didn't know so I looked it up. Would that be the Travelin band documentary? Shame I can't find it on my Netflix(Europe)

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That dude probably doesn't listen to Johnny Cash because he was never in Folsom Prison.

Holy shit, I grew up in the 90s as well.but in Saudi Arabia. Same thing happened to me, those shitty pop songs make me feel happy

I was going to say this. They were active for longer than four years, polishing, learning, joining the military and then getting back together. It was just the album years that everyone knows. The doc is pretty good.

That doc made me aware that John Fogerty absolutely was not your typical Rock n Roll frontman. Sort of a quiet and… strange guy. Insanely talented though. The doc also gave me the impression that he was 80% of the talent in the band, and 99% responsible for their success.

Definitely an interesting situation! CCR held the record for the most top 10 hits on the Hot 100 without a No. 1 until 1987, when Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band got their 10th with “Brilliant Disguise.”

Here are the artists with the most top 10 hits on the Hot 100 without a No. 1 (as of this week’s charts dated Jan. 14, 2023):

13, Lil Baby

12, Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band

10, J. Cole

9, Creedence Clearwater Revival

9, Juice WRLD

9, Missy Elliott

8, Brook Benton

(Drake holds the overall record for the most top 10 hits, with 67, followed by Taylor Swift (40) and Madonna (38).)

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Many Hot 100 records have changed in recent years because of the adoption of streaming. As streaming has become more prominent in recent years, certain artists have been able to achieve impressive Hot 100 records after releasing high-profile albums (see: Taylor Swift scoring 10 top 10s after releasing ‘Midnights’ or Drake landing nine in the top 10 after releasing ‘Certified Lover Boy’). It’s different than it was in past decades, where acts generally promoted one single at a time in the physical-only marketplace and on radio. That shift in consumption helps explain why artists are able to increase their total number of career entries and top 10s over a short period.

Check out CCR’s Hot 100 history here: https://www.billboard.com/artist/creedence-clearwater-revival/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social

And check out this week’s Hot 100 here: https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social

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—Xander Zellner, Billboard Chart Manager

Their last album, where the other members insisted on writing and recording songs, pretty much shows that... John was 99.9999% responsible for their success. :)

I've read where he said he also did a lot of the drum fills on the songs.

If you told me that was one guy doing all the instruments alone at 2PM on a Tuesday, I would have believed you

Uh...disagree. 70 years ago everyone used the same instruments because they are all that existed.

Now, everyone can use instruments with properties unique to them. Even unique to one song. There is no limit to variety.

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Berry Gordy and Phil Spector would flog the same song over and over and over again until they didn’t think it could be profitable anymore.

the post I read before this one was the covid "SEX" sign one, which apparently primed my brain because I read this as:

> I picked up their sex bot after watching that. Gave me a whole different appreciation of a group that I love.

I'm sure you're right. It's just my personal gut feeling, it doesn't have meaning for anyone but me, probably.

That said, a bunch of white boys from the Bay Area don't get to claim they're not fortunate sons. Just saying.

> It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son

> Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis Pumped a lot of 'pane down in New Orleans But I never saw the good side of the city 'Til I hitched a ride on a river boat queen

> It was down in Louisiana Just about a mile from Texarkana In them old cotton fields back home

Can't imagine why anyone would think they were southern good old boys from modest roots. What idiots!

I'll say this: when their contemporaries like ZZ Top sang songs about Texas whorehouses, or Lynyrd Skynyrd sang about Alabama, those guys weren't making it up.

On his comeback album Centerfield he recorded every instrument.

Fogerty was from Northern California, he grew up in El Cerrito, Ca. I recall seeing him at a local gas station many times in the 60's.

The Holland-Dozier-Holland team at Motown cranked out virtually all of the Supremes' catalog.

Their recording setup was basic--it just wasn't a lot of studio time for them to bang out enough songs to make an album. Production and post-production were pretty minimal.

Some folks are born...

Werewolves of London was written by Warren Zevon, a somewhat underrated artist

And "Green River" is Wyoming Utah & Colorado. "Lodi" is Cali.

Are you from the bayou? I guess that could make assumptions easy...

I met someone from around Chicago that thought "Lincoln Park" from Bob Seger's "Back In 72" was local to Chicago vs Bob's hometown of Detroit.

I've heard people thinking KISS was from Detroit because of "Detroit Rock City" too.

Somewhere, in city or town near you, as we speak, someone is attributing being a Jackson Mississippi native, to Kid Rock

Eh fogerty was praised for how authentic he sounded because all he listened to was southern blues. I think you reversed confirmed your suspicions. They aren’t known for being fakes, they are known for successfully playing a mix of southern delta blues and rock and roll, and fogerty’s voice is tailor made for that kind of music.

Blue Ridge Rangers as well.

Ironically the band “Linkin Park” named themselves that because there’s a Lincoln park in every city and they thought everyone in every city would think they were a local band

I grew up in the 60s and 70s near where Fogarty grew up. A hell of of lot of kids from the area ended up in Vietnam if they didn't go to college for the deferment. My older best friend was drafted at 18 from the same area and was in Vietnam in 65'. Kid across the street from my wife's house served and came back pretty messed up. The bay area wasn't the tech rich place it is now. Lots of assembly line workers lived there.

The bay area was a blue collar place back then. Fremont was a GM plant town. Lots of assembly line workers and remember the Raiders were all about being blue collar. Don't confuse it with the tech bay area now.

I am not saying the guys was an idiot for believing the Southern origins of CCR or anyone who thought that. I am simply saying the members of CCR enjoyed they were good enough to make people think they were born and bred Southern swamp rockers.

Fogarty himself said something to the effect of Since we were in the middle of the progressive psychedelic rock scene, we thought what would be the complete opposite and started playing stripped down raw rock. It resonated and the lyrics could shape around Southern standards and I liked blues like Howling Wolf and classics like Cole Porter, so I just ran with it.

When we saw how much people loved the idea, we went along because hell, we were selling records. We even named our second album Bayou Country to fuel it.

Heck, if you look at their first big hit Proud Mary, Fogarty wrote that it started as a song about a maid for rich people who basically calmly keeps their lives together by doing her job and going home. Stu Cook suggested making the maid become a person working on a Riverboat.

The point is, they liked good music, wrote good music, played good music. They found a niche and rolled with it and did very well so why fuck with it? And it tickled them they were good enough to make people think completely different origins for them.

John Fogerty was once sued by CCR's record label for plagiarizing CCR songs and sounding too much like CCR, in particular, the songs that he wrote and performed while he was the lead singer of CCR. The jury decided that no, he did not steal his own songs and copy himself.

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The COVID what now?

Next you’ll tell me that Johnny Cash never shot a man just to watch him die or that Steve Miller couldn’t actually fly like an eagle. What a bunch of fakes! Does Cardi B even own leather pajamas?

Music has changed so much in the recent decades.

You used to be able to expect a new album from a popular artist every year or so. two albums in a calendar year was not uncommon at all...they wrote, they recorded.

Now 5 years or more between albums is just normal. it sucks.

Yes, that's the one. It's on Netflix UK so hopefully will turn up in the rest of Europe soon.

The lyrics of Fortunate Son are directly related to Fogerty’s own experiences with the draft and seeing a tons of common folk going to war.

In his autobiography he explained Julie Nixon was dating David Eisenhower. You’d hear about the son of this senator or this congressman who was given deferment or choice positions in the military away from fighting.

They seemed privileged and whether they liked it or not, they were symbols in the sense that they weren’t being touched by what their parents were pushing on the rest of us.

Mind you, John Fogarty was drafted into military service in 1966. He avoided going to Vietnam by going down to the Army Reserve recruiter who signed him up immediately and dated it before the draft notice. He still served out 3 years and apparently was terrified of being drummed into actually having to go to Vietnam until he was discharged in 68.

>thanks in part to being so heavily used in 60's-70's era movies and TV shows

This is exactly it. Filmmakers love to put stuff in that they know, or enjoy, that they feel is evocative of the era but that doesn't mean it was popular.

Plus, using licensed music costs money so sometimes you have to go with something other than a top 40 hit for that time. All the moreso these days with the nightmare of music licensing regarding the Internet, streaming, etc.

Look up the artist Lead Belly.

Exactly…it was pretty blue collar up until the 90’s tech boom when homes went through the roof.

I don't believe that he shot a man just to watch him die, but if I found out that he actually had a masters in sociology from NYU, yeah, that would be surprising.

Like if NWA made "Straight Outta Compton" after briefly visiting Compton while volunteering with their church group.

Fogerty’s output was tremendous during his first tour….and probably helped break up CCR in some ways.

Supposedly, John had a thing where he kept wanting to make songs and keep on because he thought they were going to fall off the map if they weren’t producing songs. The rest of CCR wanted breaks and the ability to stretch a bit…but John kept them going.

Zaentz, being the greedy piece of shit he was, never told John it was ok to stop and smell the roses and instead fueled this fear. And because of his contract with CCR, raked in bucketloads of cash on their backs over the normal cut that was expected.

Man, if I could go back in time, I think I would have made CCR consult with a entertainment lawyer before signing anything. Or at least try get John Fogerty to not believe his paranoia of losing fans.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard: Hold my kiwi

Yeah, what this person said.

This is a frequent repost…

I stand corrected. Carry on.

Fuck Saul Zaentz

Some store had a sign up that said SEX and then under it "now that I have your attention vax + mask required".

Some store had a sign up that said SEX and then under it "now that I have your attention vax + mask required".

‘Somewhat underrated’ is like saying King Kong was ‘somewhat of a monkey’ when it comes to Zevon.

Dude was a literal diamond in the rough that a lot of people didn’t realize or ignored. Amazingly dark and acidic lyricist, a smart assed satirist of a genius level, song producer, instrumentalist, and all around self admitted asshole with a list of problems a mile long. He was unrepentant about his wild life and bad behaviors (he did have regrets though). A truly mythic character of unique variety he is the very definition of ‘they broke the mold when they made him.’

As Warren once said “I got to be Jim Morrison a lot longer than he did.”

> That doc made me aware that John Fogerty absolutely was not your typical Rock n Roll frontman. Sort of a quiet

I haven't seen the doc yet, but as a teenybopper I saw CCR perform in Denver in 1969. John Fogerty really didn't say a whole lot, was demonstratively quiet, but did declare "This is for Nixon" before beginning 'Fortunate Son.'

The first place I bartended at was on the other end of the block from a place they used to play down on Main Street in Santa Monica Ca.
Now I live near Green River (Putah Creek) where they used to go to Cody’s Camp. I think the camp was up near Lake Solano in Yolo County Ca somewhere.

I have the same feeling listening to 2000s pop hits playlists. Like they're such terrible songs for the most part, but the nostalgia and the pure camp of it makes me kind of love it

Thanks for the clarification. Point remains, buncha good ol boys think Fogerty would have fought in the civil war, lose their kinda when I informed them he was born and raised in California and had never even visited Louisiana before a lot of their hits lol

Absolutely amazing post. I couldn't agree more.

I want more CCR, father!

May I interest you in a little band called King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard? These madlads have produced 23 studio albums since 2011, five in 2017 and another five in 2022, three of which dropped in a single month. I have no idea how they do it.

Their entire albums are amazing works until the end. Even Pendulum is pretty good. Mardi Gras not so much.

My worst CCR-related memory is that of Dinah Shore doing a cover of :"Down on the Corner" on her show.

By the majority of it not being very good let alone CCR level lol?

Nah.

I’m a huge fan of his and I said somewhat because he’s underrated by the general public but any singer+songwriter and guitar player worth a damn knows who Warren Zevon was.

I got to be friends with Todd Snider back when he lived in my city and he turned me on to Warren. This was 20+ years ago

Surprisingly, the Beatles have a similar story. From the very first album they ever made all the way through Abbey Road is only 6 years. Their entire catalog is a surprisingly short time span.

Surprisingly, the Beatles have a similar story. From the very first album they ever made all the way through Abbey Road is only 6 years. Their entire catalog is a surprisingly short time span.

This is just ignorance. Nobody sounds like Aphex Twin, nobody sounds like Oskar Schuster, and the only reason everyone sounds and sounded like Kraftwerk is because EVERY ARTIST YOU LOVE SAMPLED THE SHIT OUT OF KRAFTWERK.

"digital music" is neither new, nor did it "kill" or even harm anyone or anything, except a few cave men with boomer meme level "if it ain't real guitars it ain't real music" complexes. Your fucking "The Doors" and "The Grateful Dead" and "The Beatles" fucking used a MOOG ELECTRONIC SYNTH IN THE 1960'S. Oh and unless you're rich or you deal with SUPER hot and annoying tube amps your stereo makes your music digital at some point any way, and even if you DO have tube amps, you either waste a fuck ton of time and money every other year replacing them or it sounds like SHIT.

It also explains why when a new artist gets a popular song it feels like they are instantly over played.

People streaming that album cause algorithms to recommend all the tracks to people. So you end up going from "who the fuck is Doja Cat" to "did they just play 8 song in a row that feature or star Doja Car?"

One of my current theories is that no matter what group you start with on Pandora Radio, you always end up listening to a CCR song.

Him not being included on Rolling Stone’s Top 100 songwriters of all time in 2017 was a warcrime, IMHO.

Which Lynyrd Skynyrd do you mean? I mean which of the 27 members the band has had? All of them? Do you understand why that's kinda a silly statement to make?

You can't understand why John knew how to craft them lyrics because you've never been to "the salt marshes outside San Francisco" to realize that places where the band grew up like Lodi(which they wrote a song about as well) are farm towns more "southern" than most of the people in Texas live..

Places the members of CCR came from like Lodi, Stockton, El Cerrito are in almost every sense FAR more "southern like" than most of the actual south, they are farm towns where crops and cows live, and in El Cerrito's case, now a bunch of refineries, just like the south.

Kind of crazy considering that Fortunate Son got blasted at every US Army base and helicopter during the Vietnam war.

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You would be amazed how much El Cerrito, Lodi, Stockton, etc. are in many ways more "south" than much of the south, there's more cows in Lodi than there are in almost any place in Louisiana.

And from northern California! Despite being “southern boys.”

100% fact

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Its just 6 hours of helicopters in jungles

Hejaz or eastern province?

• me too

I relate to this more than I'd like.

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IIRC it was one of the catalysts for the breakup. Bassist Stu Cook had a business degree or similar qualifications, but John insisted on handling the financial side of the band himself.

Was amazing to see them crank out all that sound with minimal gear

Best known for their song “I ain’t no senator’s son”.

Cosmo was a pretty competent drummer I feel, John must have just needed to scratch that itch of being in control of the work.

If you think that’s impressive go check out Bucketheads body of work.

He was. I was surprised when I read that bit.

It's just something they didn't prepare you for. War, man

The one pro to this as a casually engaged fan of a particular artist, it lets me find songs they’re featured on I would have otherwise never have found. Especially in rap, where smaller artists are known to buy features from much bigger ones.

I had no idea.

Foghat is from England.

I know in the Grateful Dead's case one of their managers ripped off the band, and what made it especially awkward was that he was the father of one of the drummers, Mickey Hart. This lead to couple year-long 'hiatus' of Mickey from the band.

The song "He's Gone" was about the episode, including the classic line "Steal your face right off your head". This is why the Dead's logo with weird skull and lightning bolt is called a "stealie".

I was a pre-teen and deeply moved when first hearing the opening guitar chords of “who’ll stop the rain”. Maybe many others felt the same way: a rite of passage. Perhaps the producer/mixer deserves all the credit.

One of the tightest bands there ever was!

John Fogerty is an incredible songwriter and was prolific af

I watched the special on them on whatever streaming platform it is, Netflix, I think, and what struck me the most is they sounded live exactly like they did in studio. Amazing live act.

But it is good!

Eastern province. Would listen to 91.4 every day

My dads favorite band. I love them too.

Small world, i was there seven years until 1990, moved west when the Iraqis moved south. That station had the best music.

One of the greatest bands ever. Grew up with my dad playing them in the 90's. Iconic childhood for me.

That station still plays music

And now the #2 band will perform their #2 song: Born to Runner Up.

Cool, thanks! The little kid i was says thanks:)