Submitted by Working-Office-7215 t3_11c5ecz in vermont
Generic_Commenter-X t1_ja3iuqn wrote
Reply to comment by vtmtct in Winter warming by Working-Office-7215
Right, but the issue isn't necessarily how much snowfall we've gotten, but how long it sticks around. Fat good a foot of snow does us if it melts the next day (which is exactly what happened earlier last month). In the source you provided, I don't notice anything pertaining to that. This is the first winter I can remember when nearly all our snow had melted by mid-January.
HeadPen5724 t1_ja3ntmr wrote
I mean 3-4 years ago we got snow in October and it stayed the entire winter đ¤ˇđźââď¸. Often times weâve had a green Christmas. Itâs Vermont, the weather is weird.
vtmtct t1_ja3k2po wrote
The post was about snowfall. Also youâre not providing anything more than your own anecdote. Do you know of any data to back up what youâre claiming?
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HeadPen5724 t1_ja3nntd wrote
https://www.weather.gov/btv/historicalSnow
Weâve had much more snowfall than in the past. This years been weird, but the overall trend has certainly been an INCREASE in snowfall.
vtmtct t1_ja3o61p wrote
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HeadPen5724 t1_ja3uac7 wrote
Youâll never find figures for snowpack because it changes daily. Snowpack in March or snow pack in January⌠as I mentioned in a prior post, only a few years ago it snowed in Oct. and stayed the whole winter, sometimes we have a green Christmas. Vermont is known for having crazy weather, trying to read into any given winter or even 5winters is a fools errand.
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HeadPen5724 t1_ja3vvqv wrote
Are you going to average up daily snowpack for the past 100 years? Itâd love to see that information, you should make a webpage with that data. Iâll edit my comment when you do ;)
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HeadPen5724 t1_ja3xo44 wrote
I never said anything about a daily record, in fact I said you wouldnât find those figures BECAUSE it changes daily. If you wanted to look at annual snowpack (which is what it seemed you were wondering about) youâd need to average it out for every year you wanted to look at and aggregate that⌠But you take it however you want sunshine.
vtmtct t1_ja3semt wrote
The idea that you would simultaneously receive more snowfall but have a lower snowpack makes no sense. This is proven by the simple fact that a melting snowpack would mean more days above 32F, but that also mean more precipitation falling as rain. Thatâs not what is happening
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vtmtct t1_ja3vfic wrote
Does the precipitation above 32 generally add to the snowpack? Does snow on the ground melt at any temperature above 32? Thereâs your answer. Yes it can snow slightly above 32 but that doesnât refute the point about increased snowfall.
vtmtct t1_ja3m4fj wrote
Iâm not defensive at all. Iâm just responding to you. But actually I do have data to back up what I said. I linked to it.
Just think about this for a second. If it was actually warmer and melting snow faster you would also expect more rain events and thus less snowfall. Thatâs not what we see. For the record climate change is real, but many of the narratives are not. Many are purely anecdotal- a mirage.
realmadrid111 t1_ja3o8st wrote
Not sure that /u/Generic_Commenter-X was actually trying to start an argument (neither am I disputing your point about snowfall), and I actually do agree (just in my personal experience) with their point about the actual snow base throughout the winter. To your point, do you have any data that supports temperature correlating directly to snowfall? There are lots of high pressure, super cold times when we get no snow. Also a lot of "warmer" days when we get dumped on with heavy, wet snow. I just find it interesting that you spin up your own narrative in the same breath that you're trying to debunk others' narratives.
vtmtct t1_ja3ra4y wrote
Does temperature directly correlate to snowfall lol? Yes it has to be below 32F. No data needed
realmadrid111 t1_ja3tb1v wrote
Objectively false... it can snow when it's above 32 degrees. Clearly you're just here to appear correct at everyone else's expense. What a dick.
vtmtct t1_ja3w0be wrote
Iâm a dick for providing data that runs counter to your incorrect beliefs? Yes itâs possible to see snowflakes above freezing, but do you see a lot of accumulating snowfall above 32 that sticks around? You should tell the ski industry they would be thrilled to build a ski hill there. Still waiting on your data
realmadrid111 t1_ja3z5ur wrote
What are my incorrect beliefs again? Just trying to figure out what you're arguing against. Now you're talking about snowfall vs snowfall that "sticks around"... seems like that was the whole point we were trying to make in the first place.
vtmtct t1_ja3p0z5 wrote
If the temperature is greater than 32 it rains and if itâs less than 32 it snows. So if itâs warm enough to melt the snow on the ground, any precipitation would fall as rain not snow. You would see more rain and less snow if their lower snowpack argument was true. The data that I provided as well as the link from u/headpen5724 shows increasing snowfall.
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