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Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jciyqrg wrote

This is not a surprise. Experienced and qualified childcare professionals are extremely hard to come by in this area and wages are competitive so if you want the best, you need pay them and that cost trickles down to the consumer as it has forever with the only excpetion being the Arizona beverage company.

Parents today are also very demanding and particular about their childs care and I wouldn't be surpised if that factors into the cost hike as well. Lots of OT to pay for.

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hlebaron94 t1_jck1tmy wrote

I’ve worked in the early childcare industry for 10+ years with at least 8 of those being in Vermont. And I can affirmatively say that wages are not competitive. For myself, and every other early childcare worker I know, wages are absolute crap. Any raise in tuition more often goes to those working outside of the classroom, ie the director and higher ups.

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ginguegiskhan t1_jck7ov7 wrote

Is a discount offered to employees pretty standard? I've noticed with my son's daycare almost all of his care providers also have a kid in the daycare in another classroom, my assumption is that's the only thing keeping people there as the pay is not good

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hlebaron94 t1_jcknczi wrote

Yeah, that tends to be one of the few “benefits”. Of course, they also don’t do things like health care at a lot of places though 🙃

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Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jcwjmcw wrote

I'll go ahead and disagree. It all depends on your situation. An ecredited child care expert can basically name there price now. I have a friend who nannys and schools for a family of 3 kids and everything she brings home is straight profit because her car and living expenses are provided.

Where there is a will there is a way. Most people would rather resign themselves to mediocrity than be entrepreneurial. It takes hard work, but all the best rewards follow hard work.

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hlebaron94 t1_jcy2qfi wrote

Being a nanny is a completely different situation than working in a childcare center. You absolutely can make Bank bring a nanny, but it’s a completely different situation.

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Smeedge_Kilgannon t1_jcyccgu wrote

e isn't a nanny. She is a childcare professional with 3 degrees. childcare centers aren't the only option for motivated people.

Your defeatist woe is me outlook is good for no one including yourself.

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hlebaron94 t1_jczxxmt wrote

I didn’t say that nannies aren’t childcare professionals. And I’d love to understand what exactly it is that your friend does if she’s not a nanny but doesn’t work in a center because I guess I’m just a bit confused. I have two degrees, and I know that I could make a good chunk of money “nannying and schooling” (as you said) for a family, but, to me, that’s a very different position than working in a childcare center in a classroom setting. 🙂

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Significant_Guava881 t1_jcjp322 wrote

Really? I question this trickle down argument. Babilou has acquired seven companies, operates in 12 countries, is expanding into India, and the avg childcare salary in Vermont is less than $23k. The argument you share is the same that the oil companies have touted this year despite making record profits. Also if it were the case as you've stated it, surely the Rep in this interview could have articulated as such instead of dodging questions.

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_jcjtk9b wrote

Or maybe the rep doesn’t care. He represents a multinational child care company in a state with a severe childcare shortage. I looked and tuition now is under $5 an hour. Are you honestly saying all it is worth is $5 an hour to raise a child 40 hours per week.

Let me rephrase it. How much do you think is a reasonable about per child to charge for daycare? How much do you think is a reasonable number of children per person to watch at a daycare? How much do you think is an acceptable salary for a person watching said children? How much investment back into facilities on an annual basis is appropriate for a day care?

When times are tough and everyone is hurting, is the place you want to pinch pennies really the person with a large amount of influence over your child’s early development?

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somedudevt t1_jcjtlm7 wrote

The average childcare worker is making $2.50 under minimum wage? Find that hard to believe. The issue is regulation and parents. 30 years ago daycare was some lady in a trailer watching 10-15 kids. Her job was to feed them and make sure they didn’t die. When I was in daycare we would be outside most of the day unsupervised making forts and climbing trees, going sledding and having snowball fights (and occasionally fist fights).

They didn’t limit the number of kids someone could watch, and they didn’t expect that person to have a phd. I learned nothing from daycare other than being socialized to being around other kids. Kids are being coddled and society has become full of parents who if their kid gets a scratch are ready to sue over it. I still have scars from fun gone awry at daycare, but that was part of growing up.

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Thick_Piece t1_jcjuoeu wrote

The child care costs $5 per hour.

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mochiko_noriko t1_jcjvqsx wrote

I paid $200/week over ten years ago ($5/hr x40 hrs) and I haven't seen a rate below $300/wk in the last year. Do you have a link to support this stat?

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Thick_Piece t1_jcjwc12 wrote

I am talking about what the person said above. He was saying $5 per hour for the care of the child, not $5 per hour for the employee. I am not referencing anything but what the person wrote.

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somedudevt t1_jcm0ksx wrote

What the fuck does the per child cost have to do with the price of tea in China? A CCP can have like 8 kids per adult + 4 school age when on breaks that’s 60k-100k a year gross. It’s not great but for a home provider who can then write off their mortgage, furniture, car, etc as a business expense it’s not small either. If we reduce regulations so that average people could do that without needing special licensing there would be more capacity.

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Thick_Piece t1_jcs5gkp wrote

I am not 100% following your thought process.

I do agree that childcare in Vermont is over regulated. In my opinion it is the primary factor.

The laws put forth by our politicians closed many options AND took classrooms away from elementary schools which in turn is forcing many towns to put forth bonds in order to build more classrooms. In essence, childcare went up in pricing, taxes in the form of a bond for expansion went up, and taxes for the yearly budget went up.

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_jckxg0b wrote

>the only excpetion being the Arizona beverage company.

Just need the building owner to paint "childcare 99 cents" on the side and not let it be painted over.

I fuxking love Arizona is still 99 cents.

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