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quinnbeast t1_iuglxhm wrote
Jesus. I think that’s my bike!
Jmacaroni25 t1_iuglzrv wrote
Coyotes will literally leave a carcass completely stripped of flesh in just a few hours. If a larger pack was to find it, that would probably just be bone. Leads me to believe it was one or two coyotes not a whole pack. Coywolfs aren't real by the way. Just coyotes with a winter coat that looks a lot bigger than you would think.
DaddyBobMN t1_iugrpwz wrote
Eastern coyotes have been shown to have a significant percentage of wolf DNA which is why they are larger than genetically purer coyote populations from out west and could explain a somewhat wolf-like appearance in certain individuals.
rickster907 t1_iuh8bpq wrote
Bear, maybe.
euro_trash_rescue t1_iuhc9yz wrote
Rabbits, ask king arthur...
thisoneisnotasbad t1_iuhdzgi wrote
Coyotes, just plain VT Coyotes.
RigatoniGibroni t1_iuhf7ix wrote
Coywolfs are a thing. I researched them extensively during my undergrad.
Most-Analysis-4632 t1_iuhh0xy wrote
Frig off Randy
Vermonter623 t1_iuhh162 wrote
Here’s a scary fact. When a coyote is shot in the leg it will try and chew the leg off. It can do it in a scary amount of time. I’m surprised there is so much meat left on that deer
DiligentDocker t1_iuhhnog wrote
Mountain lion maybe
SemperFuu t1_iuhigoe wrote
The Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
Shxrkcxt t1_iuhijtx wrote
Happy Cake Day!
blkhks t1_iuhj03h wrote
Look at the bones!
WorldlinessFlimsy489 t1_iuhk38v wrote
Bigfoot
probablybatshit t1_iuhlibs wrote
That's coyotes. They didn't necessarily kill the deer themselves. In fact, they probably didn't this time of year, when fawns have grown big and fast, and all the deer are fat and healthy.
It has been bow season for weeks now, and the past four days have been a special, antlerless muzzleloader season. Lots of people were out there trying to fill their doe tags. The coyotes just need to find dead and wounded deer before/instead of the hunters.
jonnyredshorts t1_iuhln2a wrote
Eastern coyotes are a thing…the question is whether they are wolf/coyote hybrids or domestic dog and coyote hybrids…they’re out there, they are much larger than coyotes and smaller than wolves…I’ve seen examples with my own eyes.
redwolf1430 t1_iuhlwka wrote
looks like samsquatch did it.
NobodySpecific t1_iuhmfea wrote
> Coywolfs aren't real by the way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote
Eastern Coyotes (which is what we have around here) have both coyote and wolf parentage. To me that makes them a coywolf. Do you have a different meaning of coywolf?
noelesque t1_iuhoig8 wrote
Return of the catamount!
JulieHoolieHoo t1_iuhpaf5 wrote
As long as it wasn’t Steve French!
btwnmtns t1_iuhqam9 wrote
tauntauntom t1_iuhqp78 wrote
Even then it may be headless because the hunter just wanted a trophy head, and left the body for the scavengers.
ripiss t1_iuhqref wrote
He’s just a big stoned kitty
slow-poke-rodriguez t1_iuhrl9m wrote
Yup no reason this wouldn’t be coyotes
random_vermonter t1_iuhrr4a wrote
It was Julian in a blanket.
random_vermonter t1_iuhrvnf wrote
Damn that’s wasteful. I don’t get people who need the heads.
mckeanna t1_iuhs3jn wrote
That was exactly my thought when I saw it. Hunter "field dressed" a deer and scavengers found it and ate it. I hate the practice of field dressing in general especially when they do it near a residence for this exact reason. At least the coyotes got a yummy meal but the hunter's negligence & laziness drew predators into your yard.
Thetoonshow t1_iuhxw6w wrote
It’s Rob Schneider in The Animal
youmustthinkhighly t1_iuhy5ts wrote
Coyotes don’t decapitate? I saw a coyote rip a dogs head clean off.. must not have followed the rules.
Moist-Adhesiveness78 t1_iuhzxhy wrote
Poachers do that. Not hunters. If a hunter fills their deer tag they are required to check the animal in at a weigh station. Poachers are the lazy jerks with zero respect to the law and to the animals.
greenmtnfiddler t1_iui0804 wrote
Hunter took the head, hide, and best meat, coyotes did the rest.
The802Bear t1_iui0fn3 wrote
Epic Halloween decoration. 10/10.
polychrotid t1_iui1ogk wrote
Malloy?
Jmacaroni25 t1_iui3c8n wrote
Thats still just a coyote. They dont howl like wolves. Wolves are 3 times larger than any of these. And there are no wolves in Vermont and haven't been since at least the early 1900's. 90% of the state was unforested sheep farming pasture. They wolves that may have been here before 1900 were either killed or migrated north to Canada. So that would be 100s of generations of offspring that may have at one point had grey wolf DNA. However if they still have any wolves DNA it's no different than your pet dog having wolfe DNA. And no that doesn't make your Boston terrier and Boston terriwolf
Jmacaroni25 t1_iui4fk9 wrote
Yeah eastern coyote. It's a coyote. Coydog is kinda a wives tail slang word for big coyote. I've only hear older Vermont's refer to them as coydogs. Or people who don't realize they are just coyotes. They aren't huge either. Wicked fluffy but usually weigh 50lbs or less full grown. Coydogs, coyotes, tomato, Toma'to
tauntauntom t1_iui8lpi wrote
Thank you for the clarification. I never have hunted so i thought poachers just hunted animals that were protected.
Treestyles t1_iui900t wrote
2/3 coyote 1/4 wolf 1/10 dog is the makeup that gets repeated, but i see two types, one more coy one more wolf.
NobodySpecific t1_iui9flv wrote
No offense here, but I'm going to go with the experts on this one.
> In 2016, the IUCN/SSC Canid Specialist Group proposes the eastern coyote to be a separate species Canis oriens (Latin for "eastern canid") and with a common name of "coywolf" due to its morphologic and genetic distinctiveness.
I don't know your background, but I do know that these people know a lot more than I do, so I'm going to just go ahead and follow their lead.
Moist-Adhesiveness78 t1_iui9xyw wrote
It’s a very common misconception that hunters are only in it for the trophies or for the act of killing. I started hunting nearly 30 years ago and the taking of a life still nearly sickens me. Being connected to the wilderness on a primal level while in the field and that I can bring home humanely harvested meat to my family is what it’s all about for me. Teaching my children that meet doesn’t come packaged from a grocery store (there’s a few steps prior to that) and teaching them to respect the animal and the land is my main goal for the future.
euro_trash_rescue t1_iuib0ub wrote
Is runaway!
BionicYeti t1_iuib7wr wrote
Fellow new Englander here. Avid outdoorsman. You’re looking a combo kill. Coyotes are responsible for the picked clean carcass. Bobcat is responsible for the missing head. Felines go for the throat and sever the head, coyotes go for whatever they can get.
tauntauntom t1_iuibld1 wrote
I never meant to offend. I grew up with hunter friends, but never hunted and never asked about it. So I only knew what I learned by listening to them and from media.
TheBugHouse t1_iuibwfl wrote
That's not entirely accurate, you can check in via phone except for youth and rifle seasons.
Moist-Adhesiveness78 t1_iuibzqb wrote
I’m not offended at all. No worries. Thanks for having an open mind about it. If more non hunters had open minds like you we would be able to have more effective discussions about land and game management.
TheBugHouse t1_iuic2kp wrote
100% coyote... either roadkill ot injured by hunter would be my guess.
Moist-Adhesiveness78 t1_iuic4z1 wrote
That’s true. I forgot about that. I’ve never checked in via phone so I forgot about that.
Oeslian t1_iuiehlk wrote
Everyone is saying coyote but I had Pumas leave several carcass like this in my yard when I grew up in California. Cats go for necks and take the heads. Not unheard of for a Catamount to take down a deer but they prefer smaller prey or scavenging. Maybe this deer was already wounded.
Jerry_Williams69 t1_iuif1kd wrote
I think most people know that most hunters are good intentioned. EVERYONE hates poachers and trophy hunters. Good hunters sometime get caught in the cross fire.
Jerry_Williams69 t1_iuifb6f wrote
Nah, he's too busy fucking eagles
Jerry_Williams69 t1_iuifgmr wrote
I'm guessing a deadbeat took the head for a mount and left the corpse.
likeahurricane t1_iuifmpu wrote
I think this is a disagreement on terms. I don't consider decapitating a deer for the mount to be field dressing. Field dressing is gutting the deer to prevent spoilage, reduce drag out weight, and help start cooling the body cavity.
BrigAdmJaySantosCAP t1_iuifw40 wrote
Damn Sam Lasco
QuasarBurst t1_iuigcdh wrote
La Chupacabra on a leaf peeping trip
DaddyBobMN t1_iuilw4e wrote
65/25/10 or therabouts seems to be what studies have found.
It's interesting that there may be a correlation between habitat and genetic admixture based on prey size. Eastern coyotes in more settled or urban habitats of New England have tended to be smaller, like a coyote, and show less wolf DNA in their lineage. Those in more remote habitats, especially where large populations of deer are found, are often larger and this is most likely due to the greater percentage of wolf genetics in their makeup.
So in effect there are two distinct groups of hybrids developing in the northeast over time.
Overall it's a fascinating subject for someone like me with a background in wildlife ecology and evolutionary biology. I am jealous of the folks who get to study stuff like this for a living.
disgustorabbit t1_iuim1fo wrote
I’ve always been anti-hunting (for sport, mostly) but this actually makes a lot of sense to do this for your family and for the animals. If we must eat meat, the more humanely it’s done the better. That’s what I think, anyway.
fr1endofthedog t1_iuinvi4 wrote
r/natureismetal
12_Angry_Wombats t1_iuip8o1 wrote
I know this is the VT subreddit, but I've been hunting in Kansas (in-laws) for a decade plus, and out there is no requirement to weigh the deer after you've shot it. We typically field dress where the animal was killed, as long as it's not super close to a residence/farm.
I haven't hunted in VT yet since I moved here, but I just might have field dressed the animal like I always did it KS. Not because I'm a poacher, but because it's what I'm used to doing in another state.
Thank you for saying this though, I'll definitely make sure I read more into this!
tacoavenger413 t1_iuiudul wrote
I was thinking exactly this 😂
dillydally85 t1_iuiv8dk wrote
That is completely incorrect. There are no "Trophy" deer in Vermont or at least very few. no one is head hunting here. A poacher would have left a gut pile and taken the entire carcass home to butcher it properly without the risk of getting caught.
Most likely, this was a deer that was wounded by a hunter that landed a bad shot. a pack coyotes found it either dead or dying and tore it apart. Unfortunately this is not an unusual sight during hunting season.
Jmacaroni25 t1_iuix5zx wrote
They actually have wolves out west though... They don't call coyotes coydogs. And they are actually living in small numbers in the wild so don't you think the coyotes there would have wolf DNA also??? It's because it's colder here with more extreme winters so the animal needs more of a fat reserve and thicker fur.
Ok_Marionberry141 t1_iuiyh47 wrote
Burlington? Is that you?
Kixeliz t1_iuize9h wrote
The thinking is the numbers are so much smaller for wolves in this part of the world that the wolves end up with coyotes more often. The numbers change with every animal, cause that's how breeding works, but the DNA shows what we see around here is a hybrid of the two (and even some domesticated dog mixed in). Apparently their common ancestor was only 50,000 years ago so they can breed together easily. For some reason this doesn't sit well with people who want the two animals separated. idk if it's because killing coyotes is more acceptable than shooting something part wolf or the associations we have with both animals or what.
flambeaway t1_iuj4etb wrote
I would assume it's that people want both species preserved, rather than a love for one and a hatred for the other.
Also the only reason we don't have wolves is because killing them is EXTREMELY acceptable, at least historically. It's also why almost every island nation hunted them to extinction centuries ago.
Kixeliz t1_iuj4sdy wrote
Nah, the ones who seem to be the most against it are hunters or wolf lovers who refuse to think they'd lower themselves to breeding with coyotes. Just my observation. It is weird how the reason the eastern coyote/coywolf exists is specifically because we hunted wolves to extinction, making breeding with coyotes about survival. We both hunted them to extinction and domesticated them and now argue over their percentage of DNA.
thisoneisnotasbad t1_iuj6f90 wrote
The one hunting rule in the house is “if you kill it, you eat it”. Mice are exempt. Ants are not.
That and having seen the commercial meat industry in action, I have trouble eating store bought meat.
duggyratzo t1_iuj79bm wrote
Wolfman stopped by for the holiday
DaddyBobMN t1_iuj8d4t wrote
Coyotes and wolves separated as species relatively recently. The most simplistic reason is one got bigger (stayed bigger is more accurate) and one got smaller and now tens of thousands of years later there is an opportunity for the return of an intermediate sized canid in this particular part of the continent. Wolves are actually found throughout northern latitudes across the globe and smaller canids seem to have diverged from them more than once, coyotes being one example here.
Cold weather is part of the reason, Bergmann's rule covers size in relation to climate, but wolves and coyotes probably also diverged due to prey species and what was available where.
MortaLPortaL t1_iujdep7 wrote
That's metal as fuck to be fair.
00_Kamaji_00 t1_iujfci2 wrote
El chupacabra
V4refugee t1_iujhee4 wrote
You eat ants?
narwhalfinger t1_iujjzkp wrote
That is not a field dressed deer.
ABadMagician t1_iujnd4y wrote
Oh that was Brody- the wolf boy
irongrizzley t1_iujq1ap wrote
That’s not what “field dressing” is.
Disastrous-Yam-735 t1_iujr82c wrote
Sorry, I was hungry
greenmtnfiddler t1_iujtj3j wrote
I totally agree with where you're coming from, you're prob. 100% right -- but I have known someone who'd take the head to make coathooks for the tourists and the backstrap/tenderloin for dinner and leave the rest. Had a bad back and wouldn't bring the deer in, too hard to drag. This was in the Adirondacks, tho, in an area somewhat...woollier... than Vt, except for maybe the Kingdom.
(Didn't say I liked the guy)
:/
thisoneisnotasbad t1_iujzfap wrote
When I kill them. They taste like citric acid.
timesuck47 t1_iuk241v wrote
Your neighbor?
flapjack2878 t1_iugjqyt wrote
What makes you think a coyote won't walk off with a skull?
Could be a bear that chased the coyotes off a kill