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Eagle_Arm t1_ix56hs6 wrote

Reply to comment by K9Marz919 in Off-Duty Vermont Deputy shot by NY Police by Dawsinian

So then where should you wear a gun?

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Dire88 t1_ix59feh wrote

Where and when it is legal and responsible to do so.

It is illegal to carry a firearm in a bar in New York.

It is illegal to carry a firearm while intoxicated in New York.

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CountFauxlof t1_ix5d4bo wrote

I think LEOSA (which I find to be an infuriating law) would preempt that unless the individual bar specifically prohibited firearms (which it probably doesn’t because it’s nigh impossible to get a ccw permit as a regular schmuck on NYC).

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IsraelZulu t1_ix5ji31 wrote

After a quick Google and skim, I think you might be right.

For those unfamiliar, a very cursory reading of some top Google results turned up:

  • LEOSA is a federal law, which allows current and retired LEOs to carry their guns anywhere in the US despite local laws which would otherwise prohibit or restrict them.
  • There are some exceptions to LEOSA, particularly with regards to government property.
  • Notably, there does not appear to be any exception for bars, nor carrying while intoxicated, both of which would normally be off-limits in state or local laws.

I think the general intent of LEOSA isn't totally bad, but it's very poorly implemented. Allowing people covered under LEOSA to carry in places no other citizen would be allowed to carry under any circumstances is a particularly egregious overreach.

Of course, I could be wrong. Like I said, I only spent a few minutes Googling this so far. In this particular case, I think I'd be happier to be wrong.

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Dire88 t1_ix5pemo wrote

LEOSA is codified in 18 U.S. Code § 926B.

(C)(5) specifically outlines that it does not apply if the individual is intoxicated.

Article doesn't say he was, but 3am outside a bar does.

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CountFauxlof t1_ix5tqi4 wrote

I want to be very clear that I’m not defending the guy or LEOSA -I just wanted to point out that LEOs have a very specific protection in this situation that isn’t extended to other civilians.

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Corey307 t1_ix8cayj wrote

Not when you’re drinking/drunk that’s for sure.

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YPG-Got-Raqqa t1_ix9dpnq wrote

At the gun range.

The number of dudes that can only feel safe in bars if they have a pistol is sad.

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limeelsa t1_ix57dfv wrote

Wherever you feel you’re in danger! If that happens to be a bar, maybe you need to re-evaluate some things.

Edit: FFS I was being sarcastic 😒 I am not pro gun, I never feel like enough of a pussy that I need to public carry a gun. Goddamn

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Corey307 t1_ix8co08 wrote

There is a massive difference between carrying a gun to feel like a tough guy and carrying a gun because you’ve seen horrible things in this world. Smart people who carry carry concealed are the politest person in the room practicing deescalation and conflict avoidance because it’s your last option, not your first.

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