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I live in the Poconos but really like Vermont as well.

Lifelong Pennsylvanian coming from a similarly touristy resort area that's only 2 hours from NYC I think it might have do with a combo of locals increasingly being priced out of decent housing by out-of-state investors wanting to set up annoying loud party-house airbnbs or their little vacation getaway. It just plain makes life harder to get by for regular folks working service-sextorcjobs.

Then there's the general rudeness of a lot of tourists and recent out-of-state move-ins . The fatigue factor is real dealing with those guys.

I don't think longtime Vermonters are entitled (I always found them to be good people) they're generally nice but perhaps just tired if they feel anything like us here in the Poconos.

Finally, I really don't expect to be treated like royalty when I vacation. I keep in mind that I'm in somebody else's hometown and that I'm the guest. No one owes me anything for that.

>A lot of the ones who stay are turning into anti work type and live with their parents forever.

I cant really blame them in a lot of ways. The private sector broke the social contract every chance it has ever gotten. Every protection and social safety program had to fought for often years or decades in the making... and then defended because they are still demonized and threatened all the time.

Business owners are not due workers to chase THEIR profiteering dreams. If the pay and benefits are not there, dont expect the people to be.

“You don’t have to tip in restaurants”??!!! In the US you should always tip servers and bartenders. I’m not gonna go into the whole tipping debate with anyone because I’m so sick of it, but it’s always been customary to tip in restaurants in the US.

The assumptions you’re making here are insanely untrue and kinda insulting to be honest. Don’t know where you’re getting this nonsense from, but every 30 something I know lives on their own and has a kid or two of their own too.

Good riff on that entitled assholes post from yesterday. True satire.

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HAAAAA! now I see it. I was half awake when I originally read it. Nice one OP. Too bad it was a whoooosh for me the first read… my bad, my bad. Was this in reference to the icecoast post? Lol

Guys this was sarcasm born from the a-hole post from yesterday. (right?)

The state has a relocation incentive program that pays young professionals up to $7500 to either come to VT for work or to move to VT with a remote job. That program has received applications for more money than it has to offer. So your understanding is simply untrue. There are a lot of young professionals moving into the state to make up for the folks who leave. That’s why the population of VT remains largely unchanged.

Satire, coyote, satire.

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I think we need to flair shitposts at this point, so I can sift through what is worth actually reading.

Nah, I felt the same. This isn’t even entertaining enough to finish once you hit the “I don’t tip” line.

Yeah I had to read it again. This was the first thing I read when I woke up so I wasn’t fully awake yet. I get it now haha!

Yes … if only the kind sister and brother team who staff our town’s only general store would stop feeling entitled to rest and having one day off a week. It would be so much more convenient for the tourists if they put our visitors’ needs first and were open 7 days a week - even better - 24 hours a day!

If my friend that owns the historic tavern and restaurant would build an addition to increase the seating capacity of his dining room there would be more space to feed the tourists. If he would hire an experienced HR professional to deal with visa issues he could explore shipping in seasonal waitstaff from eastern EU or perhaps Jamaica?

Guys, we have to stop putting our needs and the needs of our family, friends and neighbors ahead of those who want to visit us. Insane inflation, housing and labor shortages, severe weather challenges, and a lingering pandemic be damned.

Have I understood the assignment?

Well, e_white was being serious which sucks because the shit they said is just not true about adults living with their parents forever. Lol I don’t know where that came from

It’s all these lazy locals who don‘t want to work anymore who are ruining MY vacations. Six dollars an hour and my five dollar tip is more than enough for them and their pitiful 2k one-bedroom apartments.

oh shit at first I was like, what an entitled asshole lol

thanks for the chuckle

I did not see the post yesterday and was initially wondering what the hell is wrong with this person. Glad that I checked the comments.

Ha ha ha…

NGL he had me in the first half.

What’s scary is I would almost believe it if this wasn’t satire. We’re nothing but a playground for the rich.

Hilarious! Made my day.

Thank you.

Any chance you have a link for that one? Edit: Nvm found it in case anyone wants to read what that twat waffle said - https://www.reddit.com/r/icecoast/comments/1001wma/when_did_vt_become_so_inhospitable/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

well considering none of it is true, that’s the joke /whoosh

Lol good stuff. Nailed the typical vacationer.

It’s just crap writing is what it is. I literally describe it as not entertaining. Jokes are supposed to be funny last I checked.

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Holy actual shit. This person is straight up crazy. Hopefully they never come back XD

OP should put a disclaimer at the end for those who think they are serious.

Reddiquette is to end with /s but not everyone does this.

I see that they deleted their boomer "no one wants to work!" post. Maybe they should spend less time spreading that horseshit and more time doing something to make it better. They won't because they're boomers.

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Assignment be understood.

Five dollar tip? They didn't bring the ketchup fast enough, no tip for them!

Like when they came here IN A PANDEMIC to rip their masks off and “breathe a little”! I loathed those people. Treated our home like a f*cking day spa they were entitled to and couldn’t have cared less that they were risking infecting and killing all the locals.
You know. The ones they’re angry at now for not staffing all the restaurants.

I focused on the tipping comment. That always angers me.

Upvoting a post that violates the rules to mock people...

No wonder people think Vermonters are, in fact, the assholes.

Or, better yet, when they all bought houses here during the pandemic making an already hellish real estate market 10x worse.

Holy hell on the original non /s post. I fell in love with Vermont 20 years ago when I biked across it. That said I’m a road bike/gravel ride/hiking guy.

I went up this last week with my partner and the “holiday skiing crowd” was absolutely bananas. Like everyone with money on the East Coast who has 5 kids just descended on VT all at once. I felt like I was watching ski school 2 but in real life and any minute some New Yorker was going to threaten to tear down the Rec center and turn it into air b n b condos.

Every Vermonter that has to interact with crowds and people like that deserves a goddamn medal and a pay raise.

And for the record, every business and person we met was absolutely kind and lovely and the restaurants were fine (although we made sure to go to every meal 2 hours early which was def big brain energy).

This is clearly sarcastic, but not for those who don't get sarcasm. You'd figure the "I've become an insufferable person" in the first paragraph would be a dead giveaway, lol.

Bravo OP!

Cant tell if this is a shit post or not.

I personally feel if I have to pay $32 for a chicken thigh and carrots and potatoes I wouldn’t want to tip either

My first thought after seeing the post title was, "OMG, that knob from the other day is back".

Looking at the comments, upvotes, and your downvotes....the majority of people find this funny. Looks like you're the outlier, maybe you're just smarter than everyone else? Those other VT dumb dumbs just don't know what funny is!

This is a 100% serious post.

'knob' nice job on rolling with some Vintage Euro vernacular.

Six people… lmfao you’re triggered. Go calm down.

Aww, you're one of those people, "triggered."

Bro, you're bitching about a joke......there's only one person "triggered" here.....it's you, you're "triggered." Haha

I thought it was great. It's always funny when some curmudgeon comes out and shakes their fists 'Get off my land and Stop laughing at unfunny jokes!'

It's a little too real ):

Wow, spent a half hour reading that thread. That guy is an asshole and certainly unwanted back in our state.

This person posted yesterday in two groups mad because they couldnt find a place to eat for seven people and they got dragged with people calling them entitled. Now they are back on here calling everyone else entitled. LOL. Get off reddit bud, go enjoy your life not in Vermont.

Yeah, the shitposts are the only ones worth reading.

Yeah, I don't think some people understand how forum jokes work. In another comment they call me triggered because of it.....so I'll assume their humor is pretty lacking.

Vermont needs to severely restrict or completely ban Airbnb

Yes, we're assholes and all we want to do is keep the nice folks out! If you're a kind, gentle, upstanding citizen please DON'T come here! Thanks!

This is gold, such an enjoyable read. You’ve managed to capture that perspective perfectly.

You should try skiing!

"Oh my GAWD, I just want some cawfee! What do you mean there's a 5 person limit inside? But we're all together, I just want some cawfee, it's safe up here, Vermont is supposed to be safe, I'm with them I just want some cawfee." -actual New Jersey meltdown in summer 2020.

Nobody wants to work ^^for ^^peanuts anymore is why!

How often do you have to check if jokes are funny?

Complete morons with no critical thinking skills WHATsoever. It was “safe” up here because we were masking, distancing, and generally followed the rules. Soooo they came up here and thought, wow, I feel really safe, better take off my mask and get pissed that I’m being made to follow the rules, too? The ones that are keeping people safe? What do you MEAN the people who took this seriously aren‘t letting ME break the rules?

I think that was our breaking point with tourists. We finally started telling them “no”, you AREN’T above us, and BOY did they get piiiissed… That hospitality effed all the way off when they showed they didn’t really give a crap about us as people.

Probably should eat at home then.

Gladly after I watch you overpay for a subpar meal first lol

This is a great point that really needs to be taken more seriously and it goes way beyond just Airbnbs and VT. What needs to be strictly regulated is rich people and private businesses buying up all the single family homes at a premium (so no one can compete with them) then renting them back to the would-be homeowners and Airbnbers at inflated prices. It's not just VT either. It's the whole fucking country minus the shitty places no one wants to live in anyway.

Hmm, I wonder if it could be assholes like the original OP buying up real estate, only using it a couple of weekends a year, only spending their money at the massive out of state owned conglomerate ski resort, and then driving back to New York.

This this this this. It’s not just VT it’s everywhere. Venture capital buying up single family homes should terrify every American.

The quality of my meal bears no relation to what I tip. It turns out waiters and waitresses don’t make the food or set the prices. Shockingly have no say in the products that are being offered. Short changing them because you feel slighted by thing’s completely outside of their control is frankly dickish.

Be sure to view the well measured replies from the OP in the comments too. And OP wonders why he wasn't treated well.

This is a different poster using satire to poke fun at the first poster.

“Don’t have to tip”, do us all a favor and don’t bother to come visit our state anymore!

Reading that post made me so sad. As someone who lived and worked in ludlow for a few years, it’s really sad to see skiers talk shit about one of the kindest communities I’ve ever been part of. I hated ski season when out of staters would invade the very tiny town that wasn’t built for the number of people that came each weekend

It's a race between those who understand the post is supposed to be satire and those who don't.

If more Vermonters treated people the way they want to be treated we wouldn’t be having this conversation now would we?… and this tip /meal topic is deeper than what we are both saying in these comments . For example: if you advertise that you pay your servers $25+/hr and charging me $35 for a 30cent piece of chicken and 70 cents of veggies you should be taking care of your employees and the business and yourself.

But you are clearly butt hurt and this really isn’t worth the back and forth because Vermonters talk the talk until it’s time to walk the walk. Like everyone is so environmentally conscious here allegedly but would rather cut down tree and burn wood than to use a more environmentally friendly source of heat…

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Well thank God 🤣 I was like are they serious lol

Same here, lived in Proctorsville for two years and it was a nice group of people. Although it made me far more angry than sad, fuck that dude and those like him.

See. You get it.

Really am hoping so

Agreed on the businesses being lovely and kind even during rush time. I just got back from what I admit was a very poorly-timed couple of days in Stowe (we're not even skiers, please don't ask what we were thinking), and it was definitely mobbed but our experience all weekend was that as long as we cheerfully accepted the crowds and erratic holiday hours, places cheerfully did their best to accommodate us. Ask nicely, wait patiently, tip well. It's so easy!

Short drive and don't have to tip at restaurants. WTF? TIPPING IS HOW THEY MAKE MONEY! Yup we're all lazy and entitled because we're sick of getting paid shit wages to keep assholes like you happy. Please never come back you non tipping piece of garbage

Start making second home owners pay for education taxes on their property tax bill. This will fix a couple of issues.

I prefer the shitposts to the tourist photos and questions to be honest.

I think this post is meant to have a /s at the end.

Ugh that guy from yesterday sucked.

As a New Yorker who frequently comes to VT to visit family, I’ve always found Vermonters to be extremely welcoming and decent. I’m sorry that so many entitled people treat your beautiful state as their personal fiefdom.

> you don’t have to tip at restaurants

IN AMERICA????

Jfc my dude, you are a fucking asshole.

ETA: The line "since I’ve become an insufferable person." was most definitely not enough to tell me this post was sarcasm, as OOP was such a victim this is 100% a line they would say if they were bright enough to think of it.

School taxes are paid regardless of occupancy in VT just an FYI.

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Is it the municipal that they don't pay then? The point regardless is if they paid a full tax bill then they might not be able to afford all the properties they are buying.

As long as the assignment was rampant sarcasm, dripping with half truths, muttered through smiling, clenched teeth, then maybe.

I thought the Poconos were mostly abandoned?

maybe, just maybe, ski vacation Mr Karen has two accounts!

as the saying goes Fuck 'em if the can't take a joke.

Laugh long and prosper.

Yeah with Java Babas, I have no clue what they're talking about.

That place is always staffed by the owner & someone in the kitchen & they have been nothing but nice to me! But I say words like "please", "thank you", or even "abracadabra" so who knows.

Yeah when they said that thing about Java Babas I knew it was bs

No, I wish. There'd be some solitude at least, lol. I think Penn Hills outside East Stroudsburg was one of the last one mostly burned through repeated arsons.

More like redeveloped and updated. It's a 4-county $4 billion a year tourism industry so most of those old-school resorts either burned down or were bulldozed. What replaced them were huge indoor water parks like Kalahari, Great Wolf, Camelback etc. Then there's big casino resorts like Mount Airy. Not sure if it's still planned but we were going to get a Margaritaville resort too. The ski areas have transitioned to four season destinations with glamping, etc.

In any case, being right across the Delaware from NJ and 2 hours to NYC means that we've been swamped since COVID began by WFH move-ins and more vacationers staying close to home. 45% of the housing in my county is owned by out of staters.

It's all so crowded (like every 3rd car has out of state plates) annoying and tacky and EVERYONE ends up here due to I-80 like Bryan Kohberger the Idaho murderer caught in my hometown.

If I could afford it, I'd move to Vermont and keep a low profile fading away into the woods.

Where did you hear that in Vermont it's ok to not tip at restaurants? That's ridiculous.

I get that it's supposed to be satire but I don't know who it's supposed to be satirizing. There's no group of people who think it's ok not to tip at restaurants in Vermont, for example.

Wood heat is pretty environmentally friendly. As friendly as solar power with minisplits? Maybe, maybe not, but it's not oil or gas at any stretch.

Can’t regrow that tree as fast as you cut it down and burn it. That’s all I’m saying

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Solar with mini splits is what I use and I have propane for backup just in case . I might use 50 gallons of propane a year worst case.

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Same

I don't even know where to start with this....

As much as I want to see AirBnB collapse, I’m not sure that would solve the problem at this point. AirBnB is a criminal enterprise at its core. They will just “innovate” around the regulations or bans, and create a black market for short term rentals. This has played out across the world with this organized crime group and its local syndicates. Stop thinking of them like a company, and start thinking of them like a mafia. Real estate has always been a mafia favorite, after all.

You don’t solve a mafia problem by banning the product they’re pushing, or playing whack a mole with the groups. You solve it by beating them at their own game, or destroying their market for harmful goods.

The carrot: flood the market with higher quality goods at a lower price that only the government can provide, and the mafia goes away. Provide a public option for housing.

The stick: Restrict the number of homes one person can own. Make property taxes punitive for property hoarders, so they could never possibly be profitable. I think a 15% annual tax on homes that aren’t primary residences sounds right to me.

I’d also really like to see a government agency crawl so far up the asses of these AirBnB owners and find all the mortgage fraud, code violations, PPP fraud, and tax fraud that’s undoubtedly lurking below the surface. Bury them in audits and inspections, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. None of these people are innocent. Give me a man and I’ll find the crime. Then use those convictions to build a RICO case against the head of the beast. Scorch Airbnb and salt the earth so VRBO can’t grow from the ashes.

It terrifies me :(

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It's just time to get out of the city, you know? Finally have that dream that I'll be able to automatically set up a little farm on a few acres of land (because being a farmer is super easy and totally affordable, especially for newbies) where I can work from remotely from home and ignore advice that all-weathers will be fine in the winter. That's what Vermont is and what Vermonters do, you know?
Fast forward: "WHY is there no high-speed internet and WHY are heating costs so high and WHY can't I get my drive plowed as SOON as it snows and OHMIGOD these roads have black ice! And-"

YOU KNOW WHAT THIS QUAINT RURAL TOWN NEEDS??? A TARGET

This little, satirical, parody would have been more effective if it was written properly and used better grammar. Then it might have been possible to believe someone with that "entitled" perspective actually wrote it.

You have.

That's all of VT/NH/ME, pretty much.

I've lived in all 3 and it's the same story at every lake and mountain.

Here is the original post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/icecoast/comments/1001wma/when_did_vt_become_so_inhospitable/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Thanks, I scanned it (it's a long post). I hadn't seen it before.

Dude sounds like he was being a dick, but he opens with an apology for his rant. He never suggests it's ok to not leave tips for people in Vermont. In fact, he says the opposite at one point. This reinforces my assertion the post we're commenting in is a satire of a straw man who doesn't exist. It's disturbing how so many people found it compelling.

I thought the world sort of jumped on him a bit hard -it seemed like the pack of wolves really came out.I"ve been a tourist at several places over the years-I hope the natives didn't automatically hate me the way some posters seem to automatically hate any tourists in our state.

I did retail for over thirty years. I do remember the week after Xmas being it's own kind of hell.Between schools being out and many other businesses closing for the week it was very busy.It was a grind after the craziness .January 2nd was always such a relief.

I also go places on vacation, where I am a tourist. It's nice to see other places and meet the people who live there and spend my time and money there.

And I'm glad i live (Vermont, in case that's not clear) in a place that others consider a nice enough place to visit that they become tourists here. I appreciate them coming here and I know they contribute to the economy and the culture.

I think in the real world, Vermonters, like most everyone, treat tourists with appreciation and respect. That's been my experience. However, there's a real hostility towards them on this message board. I chalk it up to the internet tending to bring out the inner dick in people. Everything they may do that's impolite or inappropriate gets amplified and-all the good things they do is downplayed-to-ignored.

Cars do that also. It's easy to go with your worst impulses when you, and the subject of your ire, are separated by thousands of pounds of steel and glass, traveling at some unnatural velocity and you'll most likely never see them again, especially in a context where you'll experience a consequence for your bad social behavior. Similar thing happens on the internet.

You might enjoy this video from my dashcam.I usually go 5-6 MPH over the posted speed limit but this day I was in absolutely no hurry (going posted speed of 35 mph ) when this old Volvo tailgates me. If he/she had flashed headlights/honked horn like an emergency situation I would have pulled over.Instead they passed at 50 mph on a curve,cut me off and ,,,,
https://youtu.be/fuDzdPJI9es

That was beautiful! Thanks!