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drr71-2 t1_jdgoo28 wrote

But if it wasn't for how safe this city is, there would have been so many more people shot and killed!

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Brave-Cream391 t1_jdgqqfv wrote

All on a Thursday.

Here comes Friday and Saturday. Check back in 48 hours.

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KontrolTheNarrative t1_jdgugkl wrote

I moved here 14 months ago. First thing someone told me was to stay far away from SE 🔫😐

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GetYourFaceAdjusted t1_jdgycds wrote

Why does every crime post have to be coupled with someone being ignorant about the history of crime in DC or the legal process? I get that crime is ramping up and it can be very scary but I don’t understand why every crime post needs to have some stupid sarcastic tag that helps no one and usually isn’t even accurate. Cause the early 90s were the murder capital crack era, not the 80s. The 80s were relatively peaceful comparatively. The constant misinformation and calls for action in every crime post just makes me think this sub is being brigaded by people who don’t live here or who just moved here and have no interest in actually engaging with or improving their community.

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Deep_Stick8786 t1_jdh1zp2 wrote

Replying to GetYourFaceAdjusted (#2,332,371)

I think the sentiment is still valid. The idea that whats happening now is still better then when DC was the murder capital is frequently cited on these posts. But that ignores the intervening years including recent history when carjackings, violent assaults, robberies and murders were much much lower. Living through a trough makes it painful to live near a peak. People can feel how much of this doesn’t have to happen. Couple that with opiates and tranquilizers that are so powerful rehabilitation and maintenance therapy doesn’t even seem like a viable public health option, it just doesn’t seem like its getting better anytime soon.

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swampoodler t1_jdh6ppy wrote

Also a car-jacking spree yesterday.

Two dudes armed with handguns jacked one over by the Safeway in Hill East before driving EOTR with it.

Wild because that area is pedestrian heavy.

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Bacchos t1_jdh9lrq wrote

I'm surprised to not read anything in that article about NoMa last night. I heard more than a dozen shots fired near 4th and Florida NE around midnight, followed by screeching tires and then almost immediately a helicopter.

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EastoftheCap t1_jdhaqo4 wrote

In the eyes of the DC government, the shooters are the real victims here, not the 10 men shot.

The difference between the 80s and 90s and now is that those in charge back then were at least trying to stop the killings/shootings/etc.

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Feisty_Law_3321 t1_jdhbg9c wrote

Everyone relax, this is part of being in a city, crime is DOWN, we don’t need police. Gentrifiers have no idea what it’s like in DC. ACAB.

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Feisty_Law_3321 t1_jdhbqus wrote

Replying to df540148 (#2,331,759)

How many shooting have been at 14/V over the last couple years? I wonder why police refuse to care. It makes me think they want this to happen. It would be so easy to stop it. Would they move somewhere else? I dunno, maybe. Isn’t it worth trying though?

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jamesjeffriesiii t1_jdhcd9s wrote

At what point did yuppies begin saying “Over the River?” Was it before or after renaming neighborhoods things like “Noma”

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drupe14 t1_jdhdvqa wrote

I def heard mad gun shots last night circa 10-11pm in Marshall Heights

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HearthSt0n3r t1_jdhevxk wrote

It’s really sad because as I left for a date in DC last night I was thinking about how nice it was out and then my immediate next thought was “people will die tonight.”

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LeoMarius t1_jdhfsgz wrote

In a way it was better, because DC was affordable. There were also a lot more affordable, eclectic shops and restaurants.

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zapatocaviar t1_jdhfww3 wrote

Replying to solidrecommendations (#2,333,356)

Seems like you’re reading into that. Probably the majority of redditors here are wotr so it’s relevant that it wasn’t more local to this population.

Fwiw says “if you’re nw, it wasn’t around you so maybe that makes you feel better”.

Sorry if this response upsets you. (I don’t mean that, just trying to show you what it sounds like).

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Gumburcules t1_jdhg0c0 wrote

Replying to SuperBethesda (#2,333,700)

More people hanging out outside. More people partying.

Someone drives by, sees someone they have a beef with. Someone gets "disrespected" at a party, goes to their car and gets their gun.

In the winter when people are hanging out inside, in smaller groups, there are far fewer opportunities for these things.

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zapatocaviar t1_jdhgsns wrote

Replying to celj1234 (#2,333,811)

I think most of this sub wishes there were less crime everywhere, more opportunity, more equity, etc.

Most of this sub also wants to know if this happened near their homes as well.

I don’t get why people are jumping on this. Everyone - you included - cares more about crime near your home than crime further away.

You’re not a bad person for that.

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morningwoodman1 t1_jdhgtc3 wrote

DC is known for reckless and dangerous cyclists and carjacking and senseless murders. Please come visit.

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Muppet_Fitzgerald t1_jdhhc3d wrote

I checked Washington Post and WTOP…no mention of any of this. It’s just another bad sign that this is so commonplace, it doesn’t even get coverage.

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Muser69 t1_jdhhilz wrote

Was worse in the 80’s

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KillLaKillmonger t1_jdhi3et wrote

Replying to GetYourFaceAdjusted (#2,332,371)

90s was maybe its peak here but the 80s was the period that really defined that era. With that said, you're right to assume those things about most people here but you know why they act like this. We all do. Not maybe not from around here, some are only here because of the gentrification that's been going on and wasn't around back then. They are an entitled bunch that likes to play ignorant in favor of being imaginary victims that lie about what's really the issue they have. That wants the city in their image.

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ImRonBurgandy_ t1_jdhji13 wrote

Too bad there weren’t enough good guys with guns around or that never would’ve happened /s

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Brave-Cream391 t1_jdhkjie wrote

Replying to swampoodler (#2,334,548)

Almost time for another “IM QUITTING. CANT DO THIS ANYMORE. IM MY OWN ENTERPRISE.” Episode

All jokes aside. Def appreciate that dude keeping his ear to the street. And talking about issues that matter to DC people not just the latte sippers uptown.

“15 best DC Brunchs” “Preserving Downtown greenspace, why we can’t support homeless encampments” “50 reasons Why it’s cool to be a NIMBY”

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ackme t1_jdhktr8 wrote

Things were worse, though. Don't think it's wrong to realize we're on an upswing, but still doing better than we had been.

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PuzzleheadedPipe7773 t1_jdhl3sl wrote

Replying to giscard78 (#2,333,981)

Exactly. Every Reddit looks the same when it comes to crime. You have people in r/Dallas saying the city is soft on crime and no one is trying to do anything. I’m moving to DC next month and I asked people that live in DC currently about crime (a couple were LEO) and some specifically mentioned Reddit and the people obsessed with crime on it. It’s wild.

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LeoMarius t1_jdhlkas wrote

Replying to KillLaKillmonger (#2,334,497)

Yep. I moved to DC in the 1990s. I knew people who got mugged in Dupont and Foggy Bottom. We were all wary of the city, but going out was cheap and you could rent or buy a place without problem.

Then prices shot up, but at least crime went down. Some people liked the trade off and others hated it, depending a lot on how much money you had.

Expensive and unsafe is a terrible combination, but it won't last long. Either the city fixes the crime problem, or people will leave again and prices will fall.

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Evaderofdoom t1_jdhlkhd wrote

"Waiting for the comments about how things were worse in the 80s."

You seem to want to have that fight, it was also worse in the 90s as well if that makes you feel better? Not saying that gun violence isn't bad anytime but things can be bad more than once. One does not exclude the other and helps for a larger historical context. I would say knowing the history of crime and violence in the city makes it more important then ever to fix it and get it right, not to sweep it under the rug.

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9throwaway2 t1_jdhm7t9 wrote

Replying to PuzzleheadedPipe7773 (#2,334,840)

yeah, shooting and murders are up in every part of the county - red and blue; rich and poor; tough and lax on crime; urban and rural. shit is wild out there; lots o guns, lots of anger; lots o shooting; lots of road rage; etc

everyone thinks it is unique to their own little world. it isn't.

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ThePurpleAmerica t1_jdhoxcp wrote

Good thing they are adding 300 traffic cameras to keep us safe

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Devastator1981 t1_jdhphfb wrote

People shouldn’t be shot.

It WAS worse in the 1990s.

I don’t see the lie in either statement.

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my_shiny_new_account t1_jdhq1u8 wrote

> Waiting for the comments about how things were worse in the 80s.

how many violent crimes have there been YTD? how many violent crimes YTD were there on the same day on average in the last 40 years?

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Astrosimi t1_jdhraox wrote

Replying to Bacchos (#2,333,402)

Heard those too - me and a friend were out by 4th and Union St and they could have been more than a block or two away. First time since living in DC I’ve been that close to a shooting.

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borg359 t1_jdhy1fl wrote

Replying to GetYourFaceAdjusted (#2,332,371)

Because there is a very vocal segment on this sub that plays down any post on crime by pointing to higher historical numbers, as if that’s supposed to be some consolation to DC residents living through the current crime spike.

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bubbabubba345 t1_jdhzbz6 wrote

Replying to borneoknives (#2,335,622)

didn't the AUSA for DC say recently that the reason most cases get dismissed is because of 1) DC's unaccredited crime lab; 2) bad/unconstitutional police work that's being captured on body cams, among other issues?

Obviously it's a complicated issue, but at the end of the day, you have to be able to prove a crime happened in court...

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Feisty_Law_3321 t1_jdi5zm5 wrote

Replying to ackme (#2,334,695)

Troll? This is my city I’ve lived here my whole life I think the shootings give the city character. Gentrifiers come here and want to complain. Go back home if you don’t like it!

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GhostDawg01 t1_jdiaewk wrote

It was worse in the eighties. Guess you just had to be here vs. your rural hometowns.

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joegant t1_jdie3a3 wrote

That’s why I hangout in NoVA these days

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adamfrom1980s t1_jdifu38 wrote

ThIs Is Dc’S cUlTuRe MoVe To ThE bUrBs If YoU cAn’T HaNdLe It!!?!

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TheMadGNUS3o t1_jdim19o wrote

It’s a fact it was worse in the late 80s early 90s. These days they’re shooting not hitting shit. Back then they were more methodical about what they were doing. You probably weren’t here back then to even know.

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monagw t1_jdiq4nt wrote

Don't worry. Charles Allen is focused on e-bike subsidies.

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AndreTippettPoint t1_jdiu7x2 wrote

Replying to TheMadGNUS3o (#2,338,956)

Quite worse indeed. But that doesn't mean things are acceptable now. DC now being better than things were during the days of the crack epidemic, street turf shootouts, Marion Barry driving the city to insolvency, etc. is like finding out you have the flu instead of long COVID--it could be worse but it still sucks.

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DeliMcPickles t1_jdja78c wrote

Replying to Feisty_Law_3321 (#2,337,097)

Ah, okay. So I put 5 cops there around the clock. They're on overtime right? And that's going to be forced overtime I'm thinking. Otherwise I'm taking 5 cars out of service a shift.

You are right that this is will stop the shootings on the southwest corner of 14th and V. But what happens when they move to 14th and W. Do I hold V St and add four cops up there? Or do I move them?

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Feisty_Law_3321 t1_jdjddgg wrote

Replying to DeliMcPickles (#2,341,524)

Glad you managed to figure out the complex logistics of placing cops on a street corner. Now that we’ve gotten that far, to your second point, don’t you think it’s worth trying first and crossing your hypothetical bridge when we hypothetically get to it?

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DeliMcPickles t1_jdjfje4 wrote

Replying to Feisty_Law_3321 (#2,341,843)

I didn't realize you were serious, sorry. No, its absolutely not worth it. Full Stop.

This method only works if the only goal is to prevent shootings at one corner. I will say it might not work. Some cops have experiences witnessing gunfire from a car or person within 200 feet of them, so not everyone is deterred. But again, this approach is only hopefully deterring this crime at one small location. Then there's the question, what makes this one corner more deserving than entire neighborhoods EOTR?

But saturation is not sustainable, and it doesn't stop the violence usually, it just moves it or maybe hopefully delays it. This is actually more complicated than you think.

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dirtypeasant90 t1_jdjjgmu wrote

at some point they're all gonna kill each other right?

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ArmAromatic6461 t1_jdkukof wrote

Replying to giscard78 (#2,333,981)

Yeah, but—and hear me out on this— it’s really bad to have bullets flying around the city regardless of who they’re intended for; people in dangerous neighborhoods deserve safety too; and ultimately the more this stuff happens the easier it is for it to break out of these patterns.

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oxtailplanning t1_jdlud5s wrote

Replying to gymtherapylaundry (#2,334,956)

Unrelated issue that also deals with an element of public safety?

But "absolutely do nothing anywhere ever until we 'solve crime' which has no clear policy answer and almost all proposals bear out over extended periods of time."

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