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stripy1979 t1_jaa8eqx wrote

It's okay to be principled on human rights but solving climate emergency is not just about picking who wins. There are people who are going to lose and that has to be accepted.

We can't as a world say we won't do this because it will hurt this group or that group, or Mr Smith...

It's all very complicated and decisions like this just highlight the tragedy of the situation

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ClimateCare7676 t1_jaadpn3 wrote

I think we face more ethical problems when it comes to who is losing and winning. Sometimes companies and govs make decisions that are the cheapest or the most profitable, even if they aren't that beneficial or ethical. They also tend to put the interests of the rich above the wellbeing of the least responsible and the most vulnerable communities.

Even the seemingly great things can have different value. Like, for example, "planting trees" can be done through planting quick-growing foreign monocultures in the Indigenous land. Or it can be done through replacing rich man's golf courts or dried up agricultural land with diverse local ecosystems and native plants. These things have different value and impact, but they can be presented as equal. Imo, it's important to consider that those are actually good options, and not the rich getting richer from patching up the problem instead of fixing it.

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stripy1979 t1_jaaebqb wrote

The decisions needed are extraordinarily complex and beyond me

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Ektemusikk t1_jac9v4h wrote

I think the Sami people has done enough losing at the hands of the Norwegian government…

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fumobici t1_jabbbm4 wrote

True. So just offer the handful of impacted Sami reindeer herders 1M Euro each to relent. They'll in fact be stampeding over each other to take the deal.

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